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Southern Class 313 withdrawal/storage/scrapping updates

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They’re edging ever closer to the scrap road, 214 now appears to have various bits removed when I saw it last night. Just a line of tankers in front.
 

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Here is a bit Class 313 history, this involves 313 011 or 313 211 as it known today. When the Class 313 were being delivered in 1976/7, Hornsey depot initially did not have enough units to form six car trains for every service for the commencement of Class 313 working in 1976, I think they started the service with around 35 units, but I am having a guess here. The new inner suburban service was rerouted to Moorgate via a new route from Finsbury Park and then using the old northern city line tunnels from Drayton Park to Moorgate for which only the Class 313 could operate, this took away the inner suburban trains away from Kings Cross which was key for this station remodeling and this was completed in the first few months of 1977. On top of the shortage of Class 313 units there was a shortage of spares, so then the new 313 011 was cannibalised for spares, I remember seeing this unit stuck outside Hornsey depot long after the Class 312 units started running in 1978. So 313 011, I think, was the last Class 313 unit to enter service.
 
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76020 said:
Here is a bit Class 313 history, this involves 313 011 or 313 211 as it known today. When the Class 313 were being delivered in 1976/7, Hornsey depot initially did not have enough units to form six car trains for every service from the commencement of Class 313 working in 1976, I think they started the service with around 35 units, but I am having a guess here. The new inner suburban service was rerouted to Moorgate via a new route using the old northern city line tunnels to Moorgate for which only the Class 313 could operate, this took away the inner suburban trains away from Kings Cross which was key for this station remodeling and this was completed in the first few months of 1977. On top of the shortage of Class 313 units there was a shortage of spares, so then the new 313 011 was cannibalised for spares, I remember seeing this unit stuck outside Hornsey depot long after the Class 312 units started running in 1978. So 313 011, I think, was the last Class 313 unit to enter service.
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I have noticed this happen over the years with new fleets. There always seems to be one unit/coach that ends up becoming a spares donor before it has ever done any work. I notice it because it is often inevitably the last one I need !.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
I have noticed this happen over the years with new fleets. There always seems to be one unit/coach that ends up becoming a spares donor before it has ever done any work. I notice it because it is often inevitably the last one I need !.
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Oh yes! I recall fruitless hours being spent at London Bridge trying to catch 466036 - finally tracked down and seen at Slade Green - the depot Christmas tree.
 
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Not about the scrappage really, but a video of the last day of service of the Southern 313s includes some dot-matrix display messages (at about 19m40s) that raised a few chuckles
 
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Dart34518 said:
Next scrap run should be 6th June, subject to any changes.
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There's a move from Hove yard showing on RTT now. I'll get my camera....

Curses... my intended rail footbridge was closed today. A one-mile yomp to the one other viable spot; only to reach that bridge just as a PEP sped past, out of.sight. Did any forum member see today's working?
 

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m79900 said:
What's the current situation with 201?
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03_179 said:
At Eastleigh awaiting ROSCO to scrap
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Not so (hopefully).

Detailed discussions have been opened with Beacon Rail Leasing and Arlington Fleet Services to secure the first built Class 313 unit for preservation.

It is hoped that an agreement will be reached in order for the unit to be kept at Eastleigh Works in operational condition.
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This will require regular monthly financial support from others in order to happen, I will not be taking the full burden of another unit alone. Therefore if you wish to see 313201 with its shoes firmly on the conductor rail, I need to hear from you NOW.
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The unit is on the cusp of being secured bar the formalities, I have done all the leg work to pave the way for its future in an operational depot, now I will need some sponsors behind it to cover its £2500pcm storage fee. Over to you!
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m79900 said:
Great news!

Will the NRM still take 121?
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313121 has been designated by the RHDAB. It does not automatically follow that it will go to the NRM; indeed the RHDAB has made it available to other organisations, as per this link: https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org....023/04/Items-available-for-transfer-April.pdf

Designated Items Available for Transfer (April – June 2023)
The Railway Heritage Designation Advisory Board (RHDAB) is established by statute
to ensure a secure and sustainable future for railway records and objects. The
Board has the function of agreeing which institution shall hold designated records
and artefacts when no longer required by the railway business that owns them.
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Islineclear3_1 said:
If all goes to plan, what is the real likelihood of 201 operating on the mainline? Hopefully, a good spares store can be built up before the remainder are scrapped
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The need for a three car, 75mph unit with no toilets isn’t exactly great.
 
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Would I be right in saying that spares from each unit like the motors would potentially still be available for recovery for further use on 201 in the event of a motor failure or when the appropriate amount of mileage has been run that would mean the motors would be due for an overhaul.

If my thinking is correct then that would cut down the length of time that the unit would be out of service if there were motors that had been overhauled that were ready to in a sense take off the shelf and fit.

I realise there are many other spares that are also available ( doors, windows, light fittings etc ) but I just used the motors as an example.
 
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43096 said:
The need for a three car, 75mph unit with no toilets isn’t exactly great.
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6 carriages were filled for the farewell tour - bringing one back for mainline tours would be very popular irrelevant of the toilet situation. I'd argue that the only downside is the fact it is just a single unit but I appreciate cost is a key factor in that for these amazing groups that try to keep classic stock rolling on the network.
 
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Will the 25Kv system be reactivated to allow 25Kv working aswell as the 750v DC system ?

Just thought I would ask as that will return the unit to its full capabilities that it was built with and it would allow 201 to operate with 121 which brought back to southern metals after the Blue & Grey repaint.
 
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6 carriages were filled for the farewell tour - bringing one back for mainline tours would be very popular irrelevant of the toilet situation. I'd argue that the only downside is the fact it is just a single unit but I appreciate cost is a key factor in that for these amazing groups that try to keep classic stock rolling on the network.
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They only filled 6 cars because it was a farewell tour. As above there is very little case for a single unit: it just doesn’t work on any basis.
 
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