Southern Class 455 Withdrawal

[gabrielhj07]

Also the 4 car on Watfords too.

Is the whole /2 sub-fleet 'reserved' for the Watford services? If so it seems silly to run 4-car trains.

 

[warwickshire]

20th March 2022 - 2K73 23:22 West Croydon to Victoria - Last pass service

When was 455816 final day in passenger service please.

 

[LA50041]

Is the whole /2 sub-fleet 'reserved' for the Watford services? If so it seems silly to run 4-car trains.

No, the Dual Voltage units support the metro area services as well

 

[Intro298]

As others have said 5 cars on peak trains into and out of London Bridge are a problem. Rammed. Also the 4 car on Watfords too.

I know that they are, I saw a few very busy 5 cars earlier, but in the off peak it doesn’t seem to be that bad.

 

[gabrielhj07]

No, the Dual Voltage units support the metro area services as well

I wonder how passengers north of Watford are faring, without any increase in LNWR services. Many a time I have boarded a full SN train at Watford going south. It is a shame there aren't enough trains to run the Watford services as 8-car.

 

[ScotGG]

Peak trains were packed solid yesterday into London Bridge. This move all but cuts off any slack for growth. More road congestion likely

 

[Class455]

20th March 2022 - 2K73 23:22 West Croydon to Victoria - Last pass service

Thank you!

 

[03_179]

When was 455816 final day in passenger service please.

2J36 14:00 Caterham to Purley 10/03/2022.
Then went to Selhurst as 5J36

 

[warwickshire]

2J36 14:00 Caterham to Purley 10/03/2022.
Then went to Selhurst as 5J36

Thank you.

 

[warwickshire]

Today 809/816

5q55 1033 Stewarts Lane to Newport Docks Simms formed of 66793 with 455809 455816 through Hanwell around 15 minutes late. Plus the Arlington vans.

 

[FOH]

Peak trains were packed solid yesterday into London Bridge. This move all but cuts off any slack for growth. More road congestion likely

Just wait for the next time the Overground goes up the spout. Admittedly it's rare but my experience in the past was passengers left behind even on 10 coach trains

 

[bicbasher]

I remember when the New Cross Gate to Anerley line was extended to 10 car, so what are Southern providing under the new timetable? 5 car on the East Croydon line and only a couple of Victoria services per day. Most services on that line will be 5 car 377s or LO 378s.

 

[J burge]

455809 and 455816 at Newport bridge to Sims

 

[brad465]

455809 and 455816 at Newport bridge to Sims

What usually determines whether extra (brake?) wagons are added to scrap moves, other than brake issues? All 365s except 506 went to scrap without any part of the haul, and a couple HST power cars did as well, but 455s so far seem to have them on, despite being in service very soon before being sent off.

 

[warwickshire]

What usually determines whether extra (brake?) wagons are added to scrap moves, other than brake issues? All 365s except 506 went to scrap without any part of the haul, and a couple HST power cars did as well, but 455s so far seem to have them on, despite being in service very soon before being sent off.

Basically the Rail Operations Group locomotives have specialised adaptable and adapter couplings to couple up with the 365 317 moves etc.
However if it's a disabled unit like 365506 , then brake Van's are needed for through brake continuity for the train to be able to move due to it being without brakes either side, something a coupler adapter cannot do on the ROG locomotives.

However with the GBRF locomotives their couplers are not compatible with 455 couplings in any shape or form so rather than go to all the expense of upgrading a number of locomotives it’s far easier to use two brake vans either side for the moves which provide brake continuity and are fully compatible with 455s and far cheaper.
Rail operations have 6 locomotives with special adapter couplings. GBRF have none. So two brake vans make sense all around.

 

[PGAT]

Is the whole /2 sub-fleet 'reserved' for the Watford services? If so it seems silly to run 4-car trains.

Yesterday, I saw double 377/2s leading 2B12 0700 Victoria-Epsom Downs.

10 mins ago I saw another double 377/2 passing Selhurst on a service to Ore/Eastbourne.

Also the Watford route only requires 3 377/2s to operate, so it would be a waste to “reserve them” for the route.

 

[JonathanH]

What usually determines whether extra (brake?) wagons are added to scrap moves, other than brake issues? All 365s except 506 went to scrap without any part of the haul, and a couple HST power cars did as well, but 455s so far seem to have them on, despite being in service very soon before being sent off.

It depends on who is doing the haulage. ROG 37s can couple directly to the unit and work the brakes. A GBRf 66 can't do that, hence the wagons.

 

[J burge]

I was wondering the same but see now the braking so if a Rog was pulling they wouldn't need the wagons would there ever be a chance a Rog would pull one or two in future

 

[swt_passenger]

I was wondering the same but see now the braking so if a Rog was pulling they wouldn't need the wagons would there ever be a chance a Rog would pull one or two in future

I’d doubt it. Surely the ROSCO will normally only contract with one FOC for the whole job?

 

[J burge]

I see down to each contract it's unreal how much Sims is having so many trains but guess they are not sat around for long in the yard

 

[Class455]

2J36 14:00 Caterham to Purley 10/03/2022.
Then went to Selhurst as 5J36

Failed with a dragging brake

 

[theblackwatch]

The paths are now in for 377163 & 164 to return to Southern tomorrow. Whilst not strictly related to 455s retiring (more to do with the next withdrawal).

5P46 11+40 Ramsgate EMUD to Victoria

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5Y47 14+13 Victoria to Selhurst T&RSMD

Realtime Trains | 5Y47 1413 London Victoria to Selhurst T&R.S.M.D | 14/05/2022

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I see these two movements took place. Can anyone confirm if these two sets entered service this week please?

 

[Class 466]

I see these two movements took place. Can anyone confirm if these two sets entered service this week please?

I doubt they've entered service after so few days. They need rebranding, PIS work, and other bits done first.

 

[fgwrich]

Is anyone familiar with the process of scrapping a train? I assume they recycle as much metal as possible but what about all the other stuff? Just landfill?

Some places do recycle a lot more than others. You'll find more stripping and recycling will be carried out at places like Eastleigh (Raxstar) and Rotherham (Booths), whereas Newport and Kingsbury just tend to bring the bulldozers in, grab and smash and feed it into the shredder as quickly as possible.

 

[Please Explain]

The problem with the 455s are the platform staff have to go inbetween to couple the main res pipe and ETS jumper.

 

[73128]

Which units will be scrapped on Tuesday

5809/16 went today

 

[Class455]

Does anyone know when the last passenger services were for the following units?:
455827
455828
455841 (excluding the tour)

 

[Ewan M]

I see down to each contract it's unreal how much Sims is having so many trains but guess they are not sat around for long in the yard

Sims Newport tends to process their stuff quickly especially as the yard is quite small

 

[pompeyfan]

Some places do recycle a lot more than others. You'll find more stripping and recycling will be carried out at places like Eastleigh (Raxstar) and Rotherham (Booths), whereas Newport and Kingsbury just tend to bring the bulldozers in, grab and smash and feed it into the shredder as quickly as possible.

You would imagine that the leasing companies are selling to the highest bidder, so it would seem odd that Eastleigh and Rotherham are recycling more but generating less profit, unless capacity is driving it? I could only surmise the margins in sale price outweighs the cost of extra storage charges.

 

[43096]

The problem with the 455s are the platform staff have to go inbetween to couple the main res pipe and ETS jumper.

There is no ETS jumper on them between units. I assume you mean the control/multi-working jumper cable?