Speculation on alternative traction covering the grounding of Class 80x fleet

[popeter45]

Are these the coaches that were lined up for this year's Staycation Express operation?

I believe so
Question is will these be used to lengthen current HST's or form a new set?

 

[RobShipway]

I believe so
Question is will these be used to lengthen current HST's or form a new set?

I would imagine they will replace a castle set or sets, so that the castle set can be used on services to either Swindon or Reading.

 

[43096]

I believe so
Question is will these be used to lengthen current HST's or form a new set?

No, they were not intended for the staycation set. The vehicles for that are already at Eastleigh for modification and re-livery.

The LSL vehicles cannot be used to lengthen GWR’s sliding doors sets: they are incompatible.

 

[Goldfish62]

A reliable source claims that two Hull Trains 802s are on their way over.

 

[cactustwirly]

A reliable source claims that two Hull Trains 802s are on their way over.

That makes a lot of sense

 

[sonic2009]

A reliable source claims that two Hull Trains 802s are on their way over.

Have they units going spare then?

 

[Goldfish62]

Have they units going spare then?

Must do if the info is true. They're still running a temporary timetable until at least June.

 

[VP185]

A reliable source claims that two Hull Trains 802s are on their way over.

I have my doubts over that. The HT 802’s aren’t fitted with ATP so could only go as far as Newbury and would need to be loaded up with the GWR software.
I don’t know if the latter is fairly straightforward to do.

 

[RobShipway]

I have my doubts over that. The HT 802’s aren’t fitted with ATP so could only go as far as Newbury and would need to be loaded up with the GWR software.
I don’t know if the latter is fairly straightforward to do.

If the Hull Trains Class 802's where fitted with ATP and have the GWR software added, where would that be done?

Could it be something that somewhere like Arlington Services at Eastleigh, would be able to do?

 

[Annetts key]

If the Hull Trains Class 802's where fitted with ATP and have the GWR software added, where would that be done?

Could it be something that somewhere like Arlington Services at Eastleigh, would be able to do?

The above, brings me on to another question. The class 800's when they came out of the factory where in white paint and I believe that they got painted at Arlington Services? If so, would they have had to have the units on jacks to be able to do the painting of the units?

The installation of ATP equipment is likely to be time consuming unless easy provision is already present in those trains.

 

[cactustwirly]

I have my doubts over that. The HT 802’s aren’t fitted with ATP so could only go as far as Newbury and would need to be loaded up with the GWR software.
I don’t know if the latter is fairly straightforward to do.

They can still run, but at a reduced speed

 

[35B]

If the Hull Trains Class 802's where fitted with ATP and have the GWR software added, where would that be done?

Could it be something that somewhere like Arlington Services at Eastleigh, would be able to do?

As I understand it, fitting with ATP etc. is only required for speeds over 100mph; I could imagine that with the need being to run trains - any trains - it'd be better to run under a speed limit than delay for the extra kit to be installed whether at Eastleigh or anywhere else.

 

[irish_rail]

The biggest issue with Hull 802s is not ATP but the TMS. Having the GWR routes and stops etc I imagine isn't as easy as a 10 minute upgrade.

Can't see it happening to be honest though would be nice if it did.

 

[CAF397]

The biggest issue with Hull 802s is not ATP but the TMS. Having the GWR routes and stops etc I imagine isn't as easy as a 10 minute upgrade.

Can't see it happening to be honest though would be nice if it did.

I could understand more if LNER hired spare Hull Trains 802s as the route is common, at least run them between Doncaster and London.

 

[AdamWW]

I could understand more if LNER hired spare Hull Trains 802s as the route is common, at least run them between Doncaster and London.

On the other hand, GWR is much more desparate for trains.

 

[800001]

I could understand more if LNER hired spare Hull Trains 802s as the route is common, at least run them between Doncaster and London.

They have differences, so drivers would need a Conversion course before they could drive them.

 

[Qwerty133]

On the other hand, GWR is much more desparate for trains.

Which is exactly why sending more similar units there makes no sense. The proportion of units affected at GWR is that much greater than anywhere else that it makes absolutely no sense to send them anymore possibly affected units until it has been definitively established that there is nothing with regards to the GWR infrastructure that speeds up the occurrence of this fault occurring (and which would mean that in all probability that even less units remain in service in the short-medium term).

 

[D365]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/24508/2021-05-10/detailed

I had speculated in another thread that the class 37 was hauling Mk3 trailers, but thought that it might be loco hauled mk3 trailers rather than HST trailers.

I’m not asking about the coaching stock movement. I’m asking about the speculation of Class 57 haulage.

If the Hull Trains Class 802's where fitted with ATP and have the GWR software added, where would that be done?


Could it be something that somewhere like Arlington Services at Eastleigh, would be able to do?

It wouldn’t be a whole lot quicker to fit, than fixing the afflicted 80x units.

 

[Mac2812]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

 

[JonathanH]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

The 'pullman' coach was a Mk2 brake van.

 

[RPI]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

Going to Laura to be used by GWR in some form

 

[superalbs]

Going to Laura to be used by GWR in some form

Who's she?

 

[AdamWW]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

Mk 3?

 

[Mac2812]

Who's she?

I was going to ask exactly that

 

[popeter45]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

the mk2 pullman is being used as a translator van as the HST mk3's dont have buffers or any kind of coupling that the 37 can use

 

[D1537]

Some TPE 802s being drafted in to assist GWR apparently.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Some TPE 802s being drafted in to assist GWR apparently.

I have heard this internally but nothing official has been announced. It would make sense to make some sets available as out of 19 we currently need only 8 of them and two were stopped so there are theoretically 9 sets available

 

[JonathanH]

Some TPE 802s being drafted in to assist GWR apparently.

That isn't what other people have suggested as the reason for the reduction in TPE's 802 operation - it was explained that they had 12 of the 19 for 10 diagrams so need to cut back to York to serve the core route.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...nding-of-class-80x-fleet.217230/#post-5126956

 

[43096]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

1. They are not East Mids Mark 3s. They are LSL's.
2. Going to Laira, presumably for (possible) use as cover for the absent Hitachis.

 

[Michael B]

Was sat at my allotment in Taunton at 17.20, and a class 37 went passed, with five East Mids mark 4 carriages.... And a Pullman. The Pullman threw me out. Any ideas what this was in aid of? Both the EMR and Pullman aspects

I just happened to be waiting for a local train at Exeter St Davids and I managed this quick video:-