[Speculative] Ideas for First Glasgow service changes

[voidwxrranty]

I am unsure if the 10 will increase from the present day 30 minute frequency, but if doubled to every 15 minutes, I would suggest the following:

1) Extend to Ballieston or Bargeddie Station via Queen Street Station, Royal Infirmary, and Edinburgh Road.
2) Extend to Barlanark via Queen Street Station, Royal Infirmary, Warriston Street, Carntyne Square, and Greenfield. These can be numbered 11.

Both of the above would provide and restore a direct link between Paisley Road West (Corkerhill Road junction) and the Royal Infirmary, which was broken when the 56 was took off at Simplicity*, and before Overground, when the 39 (Paisley - Craigend via Paisley Road West, Central and Queen Street stations, Royal Infirmary, and Cumbernauld Road) was took off.

*The 56 when Overground was introduced ran to West Regent Street after changing from the 57 at Thornliebank Station, then extended to Auchinairn in 2002 to replace that section of the 16 as it had been revised to run Blairdardie - East Kilbride (Gardenhall or Lindsayfield - I cannot remember exactly) sharing a common section of route with the 18 between Western Infirmary and Greenhills. Regarding the 56 in the opposite direction, when arriving at Peat Road from the Paisley Road West direction, it would change to the 57 to run to Charing Cross via Darnley, South Nutshell, Kyleakin Road, Thornliebank Station, and Pollokshaws Road.

16 was Lindsayfield, 18/20 were Greenhills and the 66 was Calderwood, Bosworth Road.

 

[PaulMc7]

16 was Lindsayfield, 18/20 were Greenhills and the 66 was Calderwood, Bosworth Road.

Was the 16 not split between both Lindsayfield and Gardenhall at one point? I know the 21 was eventually operating every 30 minutes to each but on an every 15 minutes alternating basis.

East Kilbride is such a weird place for bus use from experience. When it comes to complaining about having poor bus services, there is a lot of noise but over the years, it has never really translated to busy buses with the exception of the 18 and 201. The 6 and 21 can be busy but they're not consistent in comparison to the 18 and 201.

 

[voidwxrranty]

Was the 16 not split between both Lindsayfield and Gardenhall at one point? I know the 21 was eventually operating every 30 minutes to each but on an every 15 minutes alternating basis.

East Kilbride is such a weird place for bus use from experience. When it comes to complaining about having poor bus services, there is a lot of noise but over the years, it has never really translated to busy buses with the exception of the 18 and 201. The 6 and 21 can be busy but they're not consistent in comparison to the 18 and 201.

I can’t recall, all the network where I live only changed number. (Eg. The 23 now being the 3).

 

[PaulMc7]

I can’t recall, all the network where I live only changed number. (Eg. The 23 now being the 3).

That's the same as where I am. The only changes in a long time are the 6 got cut back to Clydebank from Mountblow, "The One" replaced the 42, 204, 205, 215 and 216, the X4 is now in place of the 4 and a bit more number rearranging. I do miss the 42 though out of everything as the 3 is a bit of a walk for me if I'm going to Sauchiehall Street.

The 6 is my closest option for the top end of the city centre but it's a torrid journey with Great Western Road in its current form although Dumbarton Road on a 2, 3 or 77 wouldn't be much better with the roadworks at the bottom of Byres Road.

 

[KrisEK]

Was the 16 not split between both Lindsayfield and Gardenhall at one point? I know the 21 was eventually operating every 30 minutes to each but on an every 15 minutes alternating basis.

East Kilbride is such a weird place for bus use from experience. When it comes to complaining about having poor bus services, there is a lot of noise but over the years, it has never really translated to busy buses with the exception of the 18 and 201. The 6 and 21 can be busy but they're not consistent in comparison to the 18 and 201.

Yes, there was a 16/16A split at one point, I can't remember which route served which terminus, but they interworked with the 18 to give 8 buses per hour between Greenhills Shopping Centre and Kelvingrove.

East Kilbride has seen a marked decline in bus service over the past decade - before I left for Uni we had 24 buses per hour into Glasgow, and currently it's 11. We also used to have much more of an in-town network with services like the M11 and M21, which carried very small loads but were incredibly useful if you happened to live where they ran (not bitter at all here...)

Stagecoach made a run at taking over East Kilbride in the early 2000s, which probably marked the peak of services. Since EK returned to being First territory it's been a case of managed decline.

 

[voidwxrranty]

Yes, there was a 16/16A split at one point, I can't remember which route served which terminus, but they interworked with the 18 to give 8 buses per hour between Greenhills Shopping Centre and Kelvingrove.

East Kilbride has seen a marked decline in bus service over the past decade - before I left for Uni we had 24 buses per hour into Glasgow, and currently it's 11. We also used to have much more of an in-town network with services like the M11 and M21, which carried very small loads but were incredibly useful if you happened to live where they ran (not bitter at all here...)

Stagecoach made a run at taking over East Kilbride in the early 2000s, which probably marked the peak of services. Since EK returned to being First territory it's been a case of managed decline.

Yes, the X16 being the service used, now that service is withdrawn completely.

 

[PaulMc7]

First also had an X11 and X12 into East Kilbride at peak times from what I remember. I don't know much about what the services involved though.

 

[voidwxrranty]

First also had an X11 and X12 into East Kilbride at peak times from what I remember. I don't know much about what the services involved though.

The X12 I believe followed the current X11, but came off one or two exits early for the EK Bypass. Then turned into East Kilbride that way.

 

[GusB]

This is supposed to be a thread for discussing ideas for changes to routes and services, bu it appears to be turning into a history lesson. Please keep the thread on-topic. Thanks!

 

[adrock1976]

Perhaps if the 10 was ever increased back to a 15 minute frequency it could be combined/timed with the 9 & 9A (which also currently run on 15 minute frequencies individually) so that they provide a 5 minute frequency over the shared section of route. This would be better than running one route every 7/8 minutes and another every 15 minutes along the same corridor.

An alternative suggestion would be for the present day 9A journeys to be renumbered to the 8 (the north of the Clyde 8 renumbered to 108), with these being co-ordinated with the 10 as suggested.

The 9 to Paisley could be co-ordinated with the McGill's 38.

Also, the 34 covers the section from Mosspark Boulevard junction to Berryknowes Road junction along Paisley Road West i.e. after the 10 (and 11 I had suggested) leaves at Corkerhill Road - Mosspark Boulevard is the next one along).

 

[PaulMc7]

An alternative suggestion would be for the present day 9A journeys to be renumbered to the 8 (the north of the Clyde 8 renumbered to 108), with these being co-ordinated with the 10 as suggested.

The 9 to Paisley could be co-ordinated with the McGill's 38.

Also, the 34 covers the section from Mosspark Boulevard junction to Berryknowes Road junction along Paisley Road West i.e. after the 10 (and 11 I had suggested) leaves at Corkerhill Road - Mosspark Boulevard is the next one along).

I'd just renumber the 8 to a 91 and make a bigger branding purpose with the 90 and that given how many good links that they both have. That frees up the 9A to become an 8 too.

The 34 is something I'd only touch if it was to swap routes from Shawlands to Govan to make the 3 quicker and balance the two of them out.

This would also give a link to Silverburn from Castlemilk, Croftfoot and Kings Park.

The SPT 374 runs from Shawlands to Silverburn but the route takes roughly an hour due to it going through the likes of Merrylee and Clarkston first.

If I was at First, I'd be looking to try and give more one bus links to colleges, universities and hospitals. It would also be interesting to test whether putting the 3 into the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital would positively impact passenger numbers. The links that First offer to that hospital aren't great unless you're coming through the Clyde Tunnel.

 

[Bus Lightyear]

The 34 is something I'd only touch if it was to swap routes from Shawlands to Govan to make the 3 quicker and balance the two of them out.

Both routes should absolutely stay the way they are

 

[PaulMc7]

Both routes should absolutely stay the way they are

I just think the 3 is far too unreliable in its current form and also too long in its current form.

I'd also retime the X8 a bit just so it's not stuck behind the Mcgills 3 at Silverburn towards Glasgow. They're due 3 minutes apart currently during the day and with Mcgills doing driver changes there, it makes it timely to board.

 

[Bus Lightyear]

I just think the 3 is far too unreliable in its current form and also too long in its current form.

I'd also retime the X8 a bit just so it's not stuck behind the Mcgills 3 at Silverburn towards Glasgow. They're due 3 minutes apart currently during the day and with Mcgills doing driver changes there, it makes it timely to board.

How do you sensibly go from Pollokshaws Road south bound at Langside Hall to take up the 34 route towards Govan?

 

[PaulMc7]

How do you sensibly go from Pollokshaws Road south bound at Langside Hall to take up the 34 route towards Govan?

Turn right onto Moss-side Road and then Dinmont Road which comes out at Crossmyloof station. This would allow for a swapping point if needs be too between the 2 buses. It would be easier if you could turn right off of Pollokshaws Road onto Minard Road.

The other option for the 3 would be to turn right before the petrol station onto Titwood Road as that also comes out at Crossmyloof station.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

Both routes should absolutely stay the way they are

The 3 going in to the hospital is a super obvious change and, from experience, traveling from Pollok to the QEUH after 5pm can be a 90 min plus journey which is not ideal when you need to go to A&E.

 

[PaulMc7]

The 3 going in to the hospital is a super obvious change and, from experience, traveling from Pollok to the QEUH after 5pm can be a 90 min plus journey which is not ideal when you need to go to A&E.

The roundabout at Silverburn is possibly the worst one in the entire network First operate at peak times. It would be good if it had proper traffic controls to avoid major congestion and potential crashes due to impatient drivers.

Shieldhall Roundabout is also utterly horrendous and could also do with traffic controls that are better positioned.

 

[sannox]

For me it takes way too long to operate into and through the hospital. Nothing is more frustrating than sitting on a 34 and diverting into the QUEH, then back along the same route!

 

[PaulMc7]

For me it takes way too long to operate into and through the hospital. Nothing is more frustrating than sitting on a 34 and diverting into the QUEH, then back along the same route!

On top of that, it doesn't help that the 34s in both directions stop at the same stop and are due so close together. I'm pretty sure it's only a 2 minute gap between them. The 3 and 34 are due 2 minutes apart from Shieldhall Roundabout to Govan too off peak after the 34 has been in and out of the hospital.

The alternative would be making them go out with the 8, 16 and 77 then go along with the 90 and down Drive Road onto Langlands Road.

 

[voidwxrranty]

I'd just renumber the 8 to a 91 and make a bigger branding purpose with the 90 and that given how many good links that they both have. That frees up the 9A to become an 8 too.

The 34 is something I'd only touch if it was to swap routes from Shawlands to Govan to make the 3 quicker and balance the two of them out.

This would also give a link to Silverburn from Castlemilk, Croftfoot and Kings Park.

The SPT 374 runs from Shawlands to Silverburn but the route takes roughly an hour due to it going through the likes of Merrylee and Clarkston first.

If I was at First, I'd be looking to try and give more one bus links to colleges, universities and hospitals. It would also be interesting to test whether putting the 3 into the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital would positively impact passenger numbers. The links that First offer to that hospital aren't great unless you're coming through the Clyde Tunnel.

Going onto that part about the 8, would renumbering the 16 the 92 be an option?

On top of that, it doesn't help that the 34s in both directions stop at the same stop and are due so close together. I'm pretty sure it's only a 2 minute gap between them. The 3 and 34 are due 2 minutes apart from Shieldhall Roundabout to Govan too off peak after the 34 has been in and out of the hospital.

The alternative would be making them go out with the 8, 16 and 77 then go along with the 90 and down Drive Road onto Langlands Road.

Drive Road is too tight for buses now, even cars struggle at times.

 

[PaulMc7]

Going onto that part about the 8, would renumbering the 16 the 92 be an option?

It would certainly be handy to change it to a 92 especially as the 8 and 16 swap into each other at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital anyway. It would also close up the numbers in Knightswood too as the SPT 94 still runs but not with First anymore. A 93 would need to be something new because if they wanted to do a 90, 91, 92, 93, 94 pattern, there isn't really anything else you could change at the moment to fit in.

I'm also surprised that the 57 and 57A weren't ever changed to an 85 and 86 to fit in with the 87, 88, 89 and 90 at Springburn. This would also help if the 8 was a 91 there too.

 

[voidwxrranty]

It would certainly be handy to change it to a 92 especially as the 8 and 16 swap into each other at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital anyway. It would also close up the numbers in Knightswood too as the SPT 94 still runs but not with First anymore.

Yes, and even the M4 could’ve been re-numbered had First kept it. 94 could’ve kept its number, while the M4 got changed to a 93.

 

[PaulMc7]

Yes, and even the M4 could’ve been re-numbered had First kept it. 94 could’ve kept its number, while the M4 got changed to a 93.

That could definitely work. First really went in half hearted with the renumbering in Simplicity so there is certainly plenty that could be done these days.

 

[voidwxrranty]

That could definitely work. First really went in half hearted with the renumbering in Simplicity so there is certainly plenty that could be done these days.

The only corridor done well(ish?) is Maryhill Road, with the 60/60A and 61 being all timetabled correctly etc. Id argue Byres Road would be deserving of a corridor like that, maybe not as frequent though.

 

[PaulMc7]

The only corridor done well(ish?) is Maryhill Road, with the 60/60A and 61 being all timetabled correctly etc. Id argue Byres Road would be deserving of a corridor like that, maybe not as frequent though.

The timings of the 60/60A and 61 are a bit imbalanced off peak towards Maryhill as it's gaps of 4 minutes then 11 currently between buses. Numbering wise, it's fine though. The 8 becoming a 91 fixes Byres Road instantly and the buses could be retimed to make gaps of 15 minutes instead of 10 then 20 as they currently are towards Partick.

I'd love to know how close the 8 and 90 are to being viable enough for every 20 minute frequencies. Both have been increasingly busy when I've used them lately with standing passengers sometimes too. It'll be a while with Scotstoun still being short of drivers though.

 

[voidwxrranty]

The timings of the 60/60A and 61 are a bit imbalanced off peak towards Maryhill as it's gaps of 4 minutes then 11 currently between buses. Numbering wise, it's fine though. The 8 becoming a 91 fixes Byres Road instantly and the buses could be retimed to make gaps of 15 minutes instead of 10 then 20 as they currently are towards Partick.

I'd love to know how close the 8 and 90 are to being viable enough for every 20 minute frequencies. Both have been increasingly busy when I've used them lately with standing passengers sometimes too. It'll be a while with Scotstoun still being short of drivers though.

With the change to the 8, the 16 would have to be changed too, to keep the inter working. Scotstoun are still short of drivers yes, but that’s going to be on-going for at least the next year.

 

[PaulMc7]

With the change to the 8, the 16 would have to be changed too, to keep the inter working. Scotstoun are still short of drivers yes, but that’s going to be on-going for at least the next year.

The 8 and 16 don't necessarily need to interwork but I get why they do it. Scotstoun is the weird depot out of First for me because sometimes they seem incredibly close to covering every bus but then some days loads of buses are missing.

It's certainly miles better than it was though a few months back. I used the 2 for my old job and because of the fact the driver changeovers start very early, my bus was cut at Scotstoun very often and I got it just after 8am. I also remember mornings where 3 out of 5 2s would be cancelled with 3s cancelled too.

They also input cancellations so rarely that it's hard to tell just how short they are. Hopefully with more time, the app team can find a way to improve lead time issues with the app so that all cancellations can show far more quickly. It always seems to be a random Friday or Saturday each month that any cancellations from Scotstoun actually show as cancelled. Blantyre also seem to be fairly random with their use of it too.

 

[Glasgowbusguy]

As I explained, it wouldn't be for change's sake. Also, this is a public forum where people are allowed to suggest things.

Any wide spread change to the current network would be changes for changes sake. The current network overall works - it's profitable and busy. There is definitely some tinkering needed.

Personally, for me, I would like the following changes:

8 full service till 2300
10 inter worked with x8 and using Buchanan bus station
60A renumbered 62
240 to be retimed also a x240
255 retimed
3 rerouted to serve the QEUH
9A renumbered 11 with a 10 min frequency alternative buses going to Braehead

 

[PaulMc7]

Any wide spread change to the current network would be changes for changes sake. The current network overall works - it's profitable and busy. There is definitely some tinkering needed.

Personally, for me, I would like the following changes:

8 full service till 2300
10 inter worked with x8 and using Buchanan bus station
60A renumbered 62
240 to be retimed also a x240
255 retimed
3 rerouted to serve the QEUH
9A renumbered 11 with a 10 min frequency alternative buses going to Braehead

I fully agree with you on the 240 and 255. I've spoken to drivers a couple of times when getting off and they hated how little of a chance they had on being on time. I also agree regarding the 3. The hospital links other than from the west end aren't too great.

I'd love to see the 8 get a longer operating time but if anything I could see it being cut further in the evening. During the day I think the passenger loads aren't miles off of warranting an every 20 minute frequency but in the evening and on Saturdays and Sundays they're horrendously quiet. The 16 is also like this too.

In terms of hospital links when driver resources allow it, West Dunbartonshire could certainly do with one for the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. The last attempt with the CQ1 from Clydebank was dreadful as it only stopped once. If it operated as an all stop service to Scotstoun and then onto the expressway from there it could certainly work as a peak service when resources allow it. I also wonder if there is a way to link this with the 81 given the frequency it now runs at too. Running it from Duntocher would give people further up Clydebank a link they've not had either.

A west end link to the Royal Infirmary has also been lacking since the 42 was cut back when Simplicity was introduced. I do wonder if this could also be looked at. I'd also maybe look at putting the 206 into the Vale of Leven Hospital as it currently goes by the outside of it anyway so wouldn't take too much in the way of timetable adjusting and would help those with less mobility.

Out of the current hospital services, the 34 and 77 definitely seem to be the strongest ones in terms of passenger numbers when I've used them.

Gartnavel Hospital is the most awkward of the hospitals to adjust services for if I'm honest. The 6 and 6A are harder to change and the M11 is alright at best. It also doesn't help that Great Western Road is one of the worst roads for congestion in the entire city.

The only small things I'd do with the M11 are renumber it to an 11 as it then matches the SPT journeys that First run anyway and change the route to go via Kelvindale to match the SPT 11 route. The frequency could be changed to every 40 minutes to allow the running time necessary to keep the number of buses required the same. This also gives Kelvindale a link to Clydebank that hasn't existed since the old 11 ran and a Gartnavel Hospital link that they currently don't have.

In terms of colleges and universities, this is something First could benefit from if more links from different areas were created especially now with the under 22 passes. For everything negative regarding them in the media at the moment, they've potentially created a whole new market if the bus services cater to their needs. It might be worth going into colleges and universities and interacting with students to find out how First could meet their needs. I know they've done this with some workplaces in recent times as I know one of the guys who's done it and featured in some of their social media posts about it.

 

[DJFraz]

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I have the following suggestions for changes to First Glasgow services:

Service 1: Helensburgh - Parkhead
via Balloch, Clydebank, Drumchapel, Crow road,
replace service 2 from Partick to Parkhead

Service 2: Robroyston - Rutherglen to replace service 8 to Parkhead, replace service 90
from Parkhead to Rutherglen King Street

Service 3 Govan - Balornock via Shawlands, Church Street, Byres Road, Bilsland Drive
replace m3 to Syriam Street

Service 4: Eaglesham - Glasgow Fort via Newton Mearns replace service 38

Service 5: Carmunnock - Milton via Trongate, High street, Springburn Colston

Service 6 Calderwood - Drumchapel
replace service 6a to Drumchapel

Service 7 Summerston - Cambuslang
via ashgill road, colston, springburn expressway
city centre replace 263 to cambuslang

service 8 Govan - robroyston
via partick, Renfrew street, cathedral st
replace 57a to balornock east then standburn rd
robroyston rd

service 9 bishopbriggs retail - paisley
replace 89b to city centre then normal route

service 10 cathedral street - silverburn
via normal route

service 11 clydebank - partick bus station
via gartnavel hosp,replace service 8 via
byres road

service 12 milton circular
via ashgill rd, balmore rd, saracen, keppochill rd,
springburn, broomfeild rd, wallacewell rd,
northgate rd, auchinairn rd, colston

service 13 bargeddie - city centre
via alexendra parade, cathedral st, west george st

service 14 cathkin - glasgow cross
via fernhill,rutherglen main st, replace service 18
to glasgow cross

service 15 rutherglen - east kilbride greenhills
via king street then replace service 18

service 16 faifley - govan
via Clydebank, Drumchapel, gt western road,
Clyde tunnel

service 17 Govan bus station - paisley
via renfrew

service 18 glasgow cross - springburn
via charing cross, maryhill, ruchill, hawthorn street
springburn expressway

service 19 chryston - city centre
via royston road, roystonhill, buchanan bus station

service 20 stobhill hospital - eastwood toll
via balornock rd, broomknowes rd, edgefauld rd
petershill rd, springburn road, city centre, eglinton toll

service 21 east Kilbride bus station - Buchanan bus station
via normal route, then george square, west nile st

service 22 toryglen asda - cambuslang cairns
via rutherglen

service 23 high possil - city centre
via saracen street,westercommon,firhill,maryhill rd,
st Georges cross, charing cross, Renfrew st,
Buchanan bus station

service 24 silverburn - rutherglen
via thornliebank,pollockshaws,shawlands,
battlefeild,toryglen

service 25 Milngavie - Buchanan bus station
via garscube road

service 26 overtown - buchanan bus station
via replace service 240 then duke street, john knox street
wishart st, Alexandra parade, cathedral st

service 27 Torrance - city centre
via mavis valley, keppochill road, garscube rd
Buchanan bus station

service 28 Harestanes - city centre
via westerhill road, Woodhill road, Northgate rd
walllacewell rd, ryehill rd, red road, cathedral street
Buchanan bus street

service 29 Kilsyth - city centre
via service 89 route, castle street, cathedral st,
Buchanan bus station

service 30 Parkhead - knightswood cross
via todd st, riddrie, provanmill, robroyston, ryehill rd,
wallacewell rd, stobhill, springburn, hawthorn st,
ruchill, hyndland, anniesland

service 31 balornock - govan bus station
via red road, petershill rd, castle st, cathedral st
paisley road west, Copland rd, Summertown rd,
broomloan rd, govan rd

service 32 barmulloch - eglinton toll
via Royston rd, castle st, cathedral st,
pollockshaws road

service 33 glasgow fort - west regent street
via gathlamlock, ruchazie, roystonhill,Townhead

service 34 castlemilk - buchanan bus station
via que hospital, squinty bridge, broomielaw,
hope street

service 35 balornock east - buchanan bus station
via wallacewell road, balornock, petershill road
springburn tesco, baird street

service 36 cumbernauld town centre - charing cross
via muirhead, steps, millerston, provanmill.
cathedral street, bath street

service 37 govan circular
via Renfrew road, que hospital, shieldhall road,
berryknowes road, paisley road west, mosspark dr
corkerhill rd, braidcraft rd, peat rd, silverburn, nitshill rd,
wiltonburn rd, willowford rd, parkhouse rd, nitshill rd,
darnley, kennishead rd, boydstone rd, barrhead rd,
pollockshaws rd, shawlands, eglinton st, kingston st, paisley rd, paisley rd west,
edmiston dr, copland rd, summertown rd, broomloan rd, orkney st,
govan bus station

service 38 newton mearns - easterhouse
via barrhead rd, greenfarm rd, crookfur rd, capelrig rd,
harvie ave, crookfur rd,ayr rd, rouken glen rd,
rowallan rd, robslee rd, orchard park ave, orchard drv,
fenwick rd, burnfield rd, mansewood rd, alder rd, tinto rd,
kilmarnock rd, shawlands, city centre, riddrie, garthamlock
glasgow fort

service 39 johnstone centre - buchanan bus station
via paisley, penilee, paisley rd west, hope st

service 40 Kilbarchan - Buchanan bus station
via Johnstone centre, paisley, Renfrew, Braehead,
Clyde tunnel, Partick, charing cross

service 41 city centre -baillieston
via duke st, carntyne, Edinburgh rd, wellhouse rd,
bartiebeth rd, westerhouse rd, lochend rd,
lochdochart rd, easterhouse rd, Edinburgh rd,
sindon rd, Buchanan st, main st

service 42 moodiesburn - Kirkintilloch
via chryston rd, lindsaybeg rd, initiative rd,
Lenzie railway station, heath av, myrtle av,
broom gardens, cypress court, civic way,
west high st, kelvin court

i would divert the 41 off Edinburgh Road to enable it to cover Cranhill. At the moment it`s every 15 minutes, I`m not sure Baillieston merits this as the 38E is not that well used at present on that part of the journey. The 30 covered North Carntyne and part of Ruchazie back in 98 and in my view this would work again. These services need to work for passengers and North Carntyne is not well served at all. The Broomhouse area is expanding at a rate of noughts. I would look closely at this.