Stagecoach North West Discussion

[cainebj]

Do you need a ladder to get up to the back seat?

About the same as the MAN ones up here.

Not the best of pictures, but it was only taken to show the extra grille's added to the back of 24116 and 24121 (I think the other is 24121).
No luxury of side windows on the back row, not too nice, especially when you're on one with the offside grille rattling away, gets extremely annoying after only a small part of your journey.
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20918 done the 14:35 302 to Maryport, from Workington. It must have replaced a Scania somewhere between Workington and Whitehaven, I think it could have been 15685. It was definitely a Scania when it went to Whitehaven on time, but 20918 came back.
Workington Megarider adverts on 20918 say the price is £9.50, but it is £9. All other buses say £9.

 

[Gez.SCNW]

No idea what the new TT will be like.[/QUOTE]

I'll post timetable on Monday. left it on my desk at work,
of top of my head though
first one of Lancaster is 1010, ex Kendal with the last 1810 ex Keswick

 

[Paul Mcgill]

24117 was on the sainsburys contract today if no one else saw it.

 

[KendalKing]

Hopefully, one of the E300's (That I still need) will make appearance one day.

ie 24118

24117 was on the sainsburys contract today if no one else saw it.

Sorry, but I don't need that one, its 24118, 24123 & 24124 that I need.

 

[cainebj]

Seems to have been a fun day for the buses.
30/31 saw 16447 (replaced in afternoon by 22596), 16734, 20473, 20945, 22108, mini Dart 34218 and 35249, rather than the standard 1 Oly and 12 MANs.
22600 and 22608 (replaced mid afternoon by 15683, probably at the depot on return to Workington, as it was late running to Carlisle) on 300's.

 

[TheHovisKid]

Has 17023 had a repaint since it arrived at Morecambe? I think it was one of the couple of tridents that didn't have branding for the 2/2a so i wondered if it had ever been done. The back of it looks really scruffy.

 

[Dallamlad]

Has 17023 had a repaint since it arrived at Morecambe? I think it was one of the couple of tridents that didn't have branding for the 2/2a so i wondered if it had ever been done. The back of it looks really scruffy.

It's looked poor for a while but I noticed how bad the rear end looks today as well when it was working the 2a.

Also has ME increased its short 3s PVR to cope with overcrowding issues? 16664 and 21007 were both on short 3s at some point today with at least one E300.

 

[Gez.SCNW]

as promised

Lancaster 1010 1210 1410 1610
Kendal 1111 1311 1511 1711
Kendal 0805 0915 1115 1315 1515 1740
Ambleside 0851 1001 1201 1401 1601 1826
Keswick 0935 1045 1245 1445 1645

Keswick 0940 1140 1340 1540 1720
Ambleside 1020 1220 1420 1620 1800 1830
Kendal 1103 1303 1503 1703 1843 1913
Kendal 0907 1107 1307 1507 1707
Lancaster 1002 1202 1402 1602 1802

 

[mbonwick]

Thanks Gez, looks like a decent enough Sunday service for a change.

 

[cainebj]

For those interested...

Fleet movements Cumbria & North Lancs:
15721 PX61 CVB New to KL/Res
15722 PX61 CVC New to KL/Res
15723 PX61 CVD New to KL/Res
15724 PX61 CVE New to KL/Res
15725 PX61 CVG New to KL/Res
15726 PX61 CVF New to KL/Res
15727 PX61 CVH New to KL/Res
15728 PX61 CVJ New to KL/Res
15729 PX61 CVK New to KL/Res
16185 from Kendal to KL/Res
16393 CE/Res to Carlisle
17013 KL/Res to Kendal
20476 Sold
20478 Sold
20545 from Carlisle to CE/Res
20795 from Kendal to LL/Res
20907 from Carlisle to CE/Res
21007 from ME/Res to Morecambe
33170 from Kendal to Disposal (Engine blown)
34679 from Merseyside & South Lancashire to CE/Res.
Other changes:
20128 & 20133 from ME/Res to LL/Res
47016 from ME/Res to CE/Res

Merseyside & South Lancashire:
16452 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
16449 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
16776 from PR/Res to Preston
16871 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
17176 from Storage to Gillmoss
17269 from Storage to Gillmoss
17271 from Storage to Gillmoss
17272 from Storage to Gillmoss
17273 from Storage to Gillmoss
17325 from Storage to Gillmoss
17331 from Storage to Gillmoss
20793 from CY/Res to CY
20794 from CY to CY/Res
20980 from GM/Res to Disposal
34679 from CY/Res to Cumbria & North Lancashire
33029 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33030 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33036 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33148 from GM/Res to Taxi
33150 from GM/Res to Taxi
33414 from GM/Res to Disposal
33490 from GM/Res to Disposal
40645 from Disposal to Cheltenham
90596 Sold
90090 from Manchester to Gillmoss

Updated fleet averages from latest fleetcard.

Carlisle: Average age 2003, 76% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 75%)
Lillyhall: Average age 2003, 70% accessibility. (No change)
Kendal: Average age 1998, 50% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 48%)
Barrow: Average age 2003, 80% accessibility. (No change)
Morecambe: Average age 2004, 82% accessibility. (Accessibility decreased from 83%)
Overall C&NL Average age 2002, 72% accessibility (Accessibility increased from 71%)

Preston: Average age 2004, 83% accessibility. (Accessibility decreased from 84%)
Chorley: Average age 2005, 78% accessibility. (No change)
Gillmoss: Average age 2006, 100% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 98%)
Overall M&SL Average age 2005, 87% accessibility (Accessibility increased from 86%)
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34679 expected to arrive at Carlisle this evening. Hopefully won't be long at all until it is out in service. Shame it is just the one coming, could do with a few of them to stop mini Darts needing to go on city routes.

 

[stagecoachuk]

For those interested...

Fleet movements Cumbria & North Lancs:
15721 PX61 CVB New to KL/Res
15722 PX61 CVC New to KL/Res
15723 PX61 CVD New to KL/Res
15724 PX61 CVE New to KL/Res
15725 PX61 CVG New to KL/Res
15726 PX61 CVF New to KL/Res
15727 PX61 CVH New to KL/Res
15728 PX61 CVJ New to KL/Res
15729 PX61 CVK New to KL/Res
16185 from Kendal to KL/Res
16393 CE/Res to Carlisle
17013 KL/Res to Kendal
20476 Sold
20478 Sold
20545 from Carlisle to CE/Res
20795 from Kendal to LL/Res
20907 from Carlisle to CE/Res
21007 from ME/Res to Morecambe
33170 from Kendal to Disposal (Engine blown)
34679 from Merseyside & South Lancashire to CE/Res.
Other changes:
20128 & 20133 from ME/Res to LL/Res
47016 from ME/Res to CE/Res

Merseyside & South Lancashire:
16452 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
16449 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
16776 from PR/Res to Preston
16871 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
17176 from Storage to Gillmoss
17269 from Storage to Gillmoss
17271 from Storage to Gillmoss
17272 from Storage to Gillmoss
17273 from Storage to Gillmoss
17325 from Storage to Gillmoss
17331 from Storage to Gillmoss
20793 from CY/Res to CY
20794 from CY to CY/Res
20980 from GM/Res to Disposal
34679 from CY/Res to Cumbria & North Lancashire
33029 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33030 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33036 from Gillmoss to GM/Res
33148 from GM/Res to Taxi
33150 from GM/Res to Taxi
33414 from GM/Res to Disposal
33490 from GM/Res to Disposal
40645 from Disposal to Cheltenham
90596 Sold
90090 from Manchester to Gillmoss

Updated fleet averages from latest fleetcard.

Carlisle: Average age 2003, 76% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 75%)
Lillyhall: Average age 2003, 70% accessibility. (No change)
Kendal: Average age 1998, 50% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 48%)
Barrow: Average age 2003, 80% accessibility. (No change)
Morecambe: Average age 2004, 82% accessibility. (Accessibility decreased from 83%)
Overall C&NL Average age 2002, 72% accessibility (Accessibility increased from 71%)

Preston: Average age 2004, 83% accessibility. (Accessibility decreased from 84%)
Chorley: Average age 2005, 78% accessibility. (No change)
Gillmoss: Average age 2006, 100% accessibility. (Accessibility increased from 98%)
Overall M&SL Average age 2005, 87% accessibility (Accessibility increased from 86%)
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34679 expected to arrive at Carlisle this evening. Hopefully won't be long at all until it is out in service. Shame it is just the one coming, could do with a few of them to stop mini Darts needing to go on city routes.

You will need more then a few of them to stop that happening! This is to make the 38 low floor from what I understand meaning you will still get the regular 2-3 MPD's out on Citi's.
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About the same as the MAN ones up here.

Not the best of pictures, but it was only taken to show the extra grille's added to the back of 24116 and 24121 (I think the other is 24121).
No luxury of side windows on the back row, not too nice, especially when you're on one with the offside grille rattling away, gets extremely annoying after only a small part of your journey.
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20918 done the 14:35 302 to Maryport, from Workington. It must have replaced a Scania somewhere between Workington and Whitehaven, I think it could have been 15685. It was definitely a Scania when it went to Whitehaven on time, but 20918 came back.
Workington Megarider adverts on 20918 say the price is £9.50, but it is £9. All other buses say £9.

The grills were done inhouse at Carlisle to try and combat overheating over the summer. It was done at a time when there were regularly 3 off at anyone time.

 

[Mattdw92]

For those interested...
34679 expected to arrive at Carlisle this evening. Hopefully won't be long at all until it is out in service. Shame it is just the one coming, could do with a few of them to stop mini Darts needing to go on city routes.

Here she is at her new home.

Also some good pictures of it departing Chorley Depot for the last time and pit stopping at Tebay, credit to Gregg Collins.

 

[jonesy3001]

Spotted a b10m in sainsburys morecambe car park and the 2/2as are going down central drive/morecambe bus station then onto prom to regent road for some reason.

 

[Gez.SCNW]

Gas leak on Euston Grove, expeced to last three days

 

[darrenw29]

24117 on a 68 tonight in CA1

 

[Dallamlad]

Got told today by a driver that 16351 is a beast and goes like s**t off a shovel. Haven't had a ride on it yet but it was on short 3s this morning.

Also told that SC are running 27 buses between Lancaster and the Uni between 8 and 9 every morning to cope with demand. I believe the number of students living in town has gone way up this year so there's only so much you can do!

Also here's a strange one, apparently ME have put in for Scania E400s for the 2/2a. I think the chap who told me may have just meant standard ADL E400s as I'm not sure th 2/2a needs Scans. In anycase thought I'de throw it out there

 

[Ado 16]

Report from "The Bay";


ANGER OVER LANCASTER BUS STATION DISPLAY BOARD DECISION

Getting home by bus in Lancaster's going to made a little more difficult soon, as the departure times display boards at the city's bus station are going to be switched off to save money.

Green councillors are condemning the decision by Lancashire County Council, calling it "a dreadful decision".

The information displays will remain on until December 1st.

Commenting on the news, County Cllr Sam Riches told Bay News "This is a dreadful decision. We need to be encouraging people to use public transport and these displays are very important for making this easy and convenient for people. Surely, providing easy-to-read information about when your next bus is leaving and from which bay is a basic requirement of a decent system."

Perhaps it would be in Stagecoach's interest to stump up a donation?

 

[Whistler40145]

Considering Stagecoach is the main operator in Lancaster, I don't think it would dent their profits to either make a donation or sponsor the Display Screens in Lancaster Bus Station.

 

[jonesy3001]

Seen 20451 outside sainsburys heading towards caton rd lancaster,also a write up in the Lancaster guardian about tomorrows 555 green scanias launch and also a passenger complaining about stagecoach catering more for students then others in the letters section.

 

[Dallamlad]

Report from "The Bay";


ANGER OVER LANCASTER BUS STATION DISPLAY BOARD DECISION

Getting home by bus in Lancaster's going to made a little more difficult soon, as the departure times display boards at the city's bus station are going to be switched off to save money.

Green councillors are condemning the decision by Lancashire County Council, calling it "a dreadful decision".

The information displays will remain on until December 1st.

Commenting on the news, County Cllr Sam Riches told Bay News "This is a dreadful decision. We need to be encouraging people to use public transport and these displays are very important for making this easy and convenient for people. Surely, providing easy-to-read information about when your next bus is leaving and from which bay is a basic requirement of a decent system."

Perhaps it would be in Stagecoach's interest to stump up a donation?

Indeed, was told about this a few days ago. Several other displays are to be turned off around Lancashire including the one at Chorley interchange.

I would hope that SC would think it worth their while to take over the running of the display. There is no daubt that it is a brilliant resource but could be argued that it is a luxury, especially when you have printed timetables at the stands.

 

[Whistler40145]

Dallamlad, it would make a lot of sense that SC did have responsibility of electronic Departure Boards as they are the main Bus Operator in Lancashire.

 

[Dallamlad]

Dallamlad, it would make a lot of sense that SC did have responsibility of electronic Departure Boards as they are the main Bus Operator in Lancashire.

Agreed and I hope that County Council officers are giving SC the opportunity to take over the running of them. I suppose it all comes down to whether it is financially viable for SC to pay for the screens.

 

[07andrew]

34218 and 35247 on 30/31.
22611 on 300-302.
52628 on 85.
47005 short 302.
47753 on 50.
47754 on 51.
47006, 47023 and 47024 on Harrington and Seaton.
20913 on extra X5.
47059 on annexe.

 

[mbonwick]

Agreed and I hope that County Council officers are giving SC the opportunity to take over the running of them. I suppose it all comes down to whether it is financially viable for SC to pay for the screens.

May not be worth the hassle - I seem to remember reading somewhere (?) that the disability people keep complaining at the lack of real-time info and stand changes(eg. when a service is delayed), and saying that it doesn't meet DDA legislation unless this is done.

This was a while ago mind and personally I'm rather skeptical...

 

[Gez.SCNW]

Commenting on the news, County Cllr Sam Riches told Bay News "This is a dreadful decision. We need to be encouraging people to use public transport and these displays are very important for making this easy and convenient for people. Surely, providing easy-to-read information about when your next bus is leaving and from which bay is a basic requirement of a decent system."[/URL]

Perhaps it would be in Stagecoach's interest to stump up a donation?[/QUOTE]

Very obvious from that statement that said Cllr Riches has never been to Lancaster Bus Station.

Interested to here why would it be in our interest to stump up a donation?

Being turned off will save me an awful lot of faxes to correct incorrect information, which still does not get corrected

99% of passengers just ask me anyway

 

[KendalKing]

people keep complaining at the lack of real-time info and stand changes(eg. when a service is delayed)

One of the main problems here is when there are two or more buses that are timetabled to depart from the same stand at the same time.
i.e at 15.20 there are three buses (55 Silverdale, 55A The Kellets, & 555 Keswick) timetabled to depart from stand 15.

 

[stagecoachuk]

Seen 20451 outside sainsburys heading towards caton rd lancaster,also a write up in the Lancaster guardian about tomorrows 555 green scanias launch and also a passenger complaining about stagecoach catering more for students then others in the letters section.

20451 & 20960 are now the regulars on the Sainsbury's contract. 52629 is getting a bit too unreliable and 20977 is rarely let out of Carlisle Centre.

Im told all 9 Scanias will be launced in Kendal bus station tommorow with them going into service on Saturday?
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34218 and 35247 on 30/31.
22611 on 300-302.
52628 on 85.
47005 short 302.
47753 on 50.
47754 on 51.
47006, 47023 and 47024 on Harrington and Seaton.
20913 on extra X5.
47059 on annexe.

3 Man's on the 300 by this evening. 22608/11 and one other. Those Scanias are getting worse.

In Carlisle paintshop at present is 47007 from Lillyhall, 34679 from CHorley before it starts it's new life at Carlisle. Enviro 24124 is the 2nd to be repainted with Versa 25238 (IIRC) and Morecambe ALX300 22818 which is also under refurbishment.

A bit of late news from Carlisle is that 34709 has been refurbished.

 

[cainebj]

Mini Dart 34218 replaced 20473 on extra X5's this afternoon.
22104 been on full length X4-X50, replaced on 14:15 by 53336. 22104 was late running obviously, got back in at 14:20 (timetabled in 14:07). All others were in on time.
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First pictures of Kendal's Scania's out in service are starting to spring up on flickr.

15726 on 556 in Lancaster. (Picture Ian Simpson).

 

[jonesy3001]

nice pics on flickr, wonder where the KL tridents are going when all the scanias are in service.

 

[Dallamlad]

nice pics on flickr, wonder where the KL tridents are going when all the scanias are in service.

I've heard it's nearly certain that most of the Tridents will go to Preston and ME may get 1 or 2 as well. But, as ever, we'll only know 100% once it's happened lol.