thedotlair
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LBG to Horsham/Tonbridge/Reigate (when it's operating) splits three ways at Redhill. Front 4 to Horsham, Middle 4 to Tonbridge and Rear 4 to Reigate
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Not exactly different destinations but there is (or at least was) a 12 car kings X-Lynn. This train runs (or ran) 12 car Kim's X-Royston. The back 4 split off and the front 8 run to Cambridge non stop. The back 4 run all stations to Cambridge. Then the 8 which arrive at Cambridge split and 4 run to Lynn, other 4 head back to London.
I say this may not still run as I have a funny feeling all 8 now run onto Lynn only calling at long stations. Certainly used to split twice though.
Will they not be introducing class 700s on said line. Kings Lynn to KGX (via CBG). If so, will they not do away with the coupling -uncoupling procedure at CBG. Won't the "longer" (i.e. 8 car) class 700s be able to call on the shorter platforms. eg. waterbeach littleport et al.
Or shall the new shiny trains be calling via the new shiny station at CBG?
700s won't be going near kings Lynn, they'll terminate at Cambridge. They also won't be splitting 700s or joining them.
377s are on their way to the GN in the new year and will be running to Lynn. There are plans to use SDO on these for shorter platforms.
And what's happening to the 365s?
Some are staying to work alongside 377s on Lynn/Cambridge/peterboroughs and some are moving elsewhere (currently looks like Paddington will get some if electrification happens).
Half going to the GW to run stopping services on the Thames Valley. Half staying for peak-time services (mainly Peterborough)
Same as any other unit. They'll receive assistance. Just won't run in service. Currently if am 8 car fails another 8 car could, and has, be/been sent to rescue it meaning a 16car runs(empty as its a failed train and won't fit in platforms).
But the 700s are perfect and flawless trains which will never, ever, ever brake down. So it's irrelevant. Apart of course from the issues with crash worthiness. And problems with them loosing brakes in neutral sections. And ERTMS-TPWS transitioning issues. Apart from that they are absolutely perfect and won't ever need assistance...
That's the 1814 King's Cross-King's Lynn, which (unusually) splits at Royston rather than Cambridge.
-4 cars are dropped at Royston, forming following "slip coaches" to Meldreth, Shepreth, Foxton and Cambridge
-The front 8 all continue to King's Lynn, calling Cambridge, Ely and Downham Market (i.e. the platforms that can take 8 coaches - the other stations are served by the front 4 off the 1807 Liverpool St-King's Lynn which is only around 10 minutes behind at Cambridge)
There's *always* confused running around on the platform at Royston looking for the correct portion, not helped by the split never being advertised properly on the departure board at King's Cross (which gives the standard message of splitting at Cambridge, front 4 for Lynn)
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That's the one. Used to split again at Cambridge-I was once asked when spare to travel pass on it from kings X to split it at Cambridge and work it back to London. Was kicked out the middle cab at Royston by a Hitchin driver who was splitting it to take those 4 all stations to Cambridge. Had no idea it was splitting twice.
A few now split at Royston, although mainly all station Cambridges in the peak.
whose idea was it to have the 1T13 AND the 2T13? departing 11 minutes after at Lynn! Maybe convenient for passengers. Not so for the additional/extra driver, I bet!
Which trains are you referring to? Running codes mean nothing to me without a diagram in front of me.
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On up trains, the front five are the empty carriages and they arrive at the platform first. The five from Weymouth arrives but the doors stay closed until it attaches, at which point doors on all ten carriages are released.
On down trains, the doors are opened on all carriages, then when the front five are ready to depart, all doors are closed and the front five detach and depart. A few minutes later, the empty rear five trundle off to the depot, or if they're going back up, to the sidings to reverse onto the up line.
But these modern trains are soooooo super fantastic they will never breakdown!
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Up trains you are nearly right.
Down trains, oh dear! :roll:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L08425/2015/12/10/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L08138/2015/12/10/advanced
Two x 4-car trains from King's Lynn that combine at Cambridge to form the 0815 Cambridge-King's Cross (thus giving a King's Lynn & King's Lynn to King's Cross service!)
2T13 departs Lynn at 0714, calling all stations.
1T13 departs Lynn at 0725, calling only at Downham Market and Ely.
Basically, these trains are right in the heart of the Cambridge high peak (just after 0800 - factoring in the time it takes to get from the station to the City Centre/Addenbrooke's Hospital/Science Park), so you really need 8 cars worth of capacity.
Trouble is, if it ran as a single 8-car, it would have to omit the likes of Waterbeach, which has short platforms, and where a good proportion of demand comes from. This demand cannot be accommodated on the preceding King's Lynn departure (which already usually arrives Cambridge full and standing). Hence running it as 2 x 4 car trains instead, so all stations can be served whilst providing sufficient capacity into Cambridge at the right time.
Just to add to the fun, 1L26 (0519 Birmingham New Street-Stansted Airport) runs between the two halves of the train between Ely and Cambridge, before "overtaking" the front portion whilst it waits at Cambridge!
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If the latter part of the above comment is in reference to 1F44 (this is the only Seaford splitter), it does not split at Haywards Heath. It runs as 12 coaches down to Lewes where the front 4 then head off to Seaford. The rear 8 coaches, under the headcode of 1F46, run down to Eastbourne where the second detachment occurs. The front 4 remain at Eastbourne (to form the rear portion of 1F63) and the rear 4 continue to Ore.
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Were you off work or in work yesterday? What happened on the GN routes? Shortage of drivers on BOTH Lynn line and Posh line on Sunday. . . no coupling -decoupling at CBG yesterday, one would guess?
Were there problems this morning?
There was a shortage of drivers yes, about half the number they needed for a full service were in. No coupling no. The lines make no difference when short of drivers as generally drivers can have a mix of Peterborough, cambrodge and Hertford work in a single diagram.
I'm just trying to work out of you are trying to make an accusation in your post or if it is just how I'm reading it so I shan't get offended. Clarification may be helpful though.
No accusation. Just curiosity. Saw lots of complaints on twitter on Sunday.
One is entitled their Sunday off! BTW why do the trains nearly (?) always slow down near Hitchin (Southbound)? Can add up to 10 mins to ETA!
Which trains slow down at Hitchin? Non stop trains from Cambridge have to slow down as the curve from the west facing Cambridge line to the south facing Peterborough line is only fit for 40mph running. Otherwise they are slowing down to stop at the station.
So they had half the drivers but only ran a quarter of the service? Or were the cancellations disproportionately on the Moorgate lines (50% of WGC and 100% of Hertfords cancelled)?
Was it coincidence that this happened on the first day of the new timetable? Or I's and T's not dotted and crossed on new rosters?
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A mix of all that was the cause. Most of the shortages were at kings X which is why the Moorgates were worst affected. Plus they prioritise with the main lines as there is more chance of people living in suburban routes being able to use alternate transport-buses, tube, other rail lines etc.
Someone in cuffley or Enfield chase will have more chance of getting to another station/London bound transport mode than someone in Royston or Huntingdon.
Plus, rather than sporadic service levels where one hour a train runs then the next one it's cancelled it's better to just say this line will be served hourly and this line will just have buses.
They did manage to run 1tph welwyn to Moorgate and kings cross to Cambridge and kings X-Peterborough. Plus an hourly Lynn-Cambridge shuttle.
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