Stratford station major incident (27/10)

[AlanFry1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...station-commuters-6717170?ICID=FB_mirror_main

A man is thought to be fighting for his life after he was found lying unconscious at a busy London train station.

Police swarmed Stratford station in east London after reports emerged that the victim, who has not been named, was in a slumped with serious head injuries following a suspected assault.

A subway where the man is thought to have been attacked has been closed by investigators - leading to huge queues and commuters complaining of being "trampled".

One witness even told how officers "burst" onto a train carriage and handcuffed four people.

Nikkayla Henricksen said on Twitter: "Was just locked on the Jubilee at Stratford. 6 police just burst into my carriage and cuffed four people."

Early reports suggest the man had been attacked in a subway connecting the Jubilee Line with the Central Line.

After a rush hour stabbing at the station at around 5pm this evening, there were chaotic scenes reported at the station. Chaos from top till bottom from the pictures, station security did a poor job. Should have better evacuation and emergency procedures.
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Absolutely disgusting a major disaster could have occurred this evening, hopefully this shows up what a state the railways are in right now in the WA region. Disgraceful. Never seen overcrowding like this. Twitter provides evidence.

 

[grumblingalong]

Think we should be blaming the person who chose to viciously attack someone rather than the staff on duty who will have had to deal with a pretty horrific scene while they themselves were at risk from this person.

Stratford is not a well designed station at the best of times, noone could shut half of it during rush hour and get a good result.

 

[AlanFry1]

Think we should be blaming the person who chose to viciously attack someone rather than the staff on duty who will have had to deal with a pretty horrific scene while they themselves were at risk from this person.

Stratford is not a well designed station at the best of times, noone could shut half of it during rush hour and get a good result.

Well obviously the person who stabbed is at fault but the incident outlined how poor safety is for customers really. Security should be at the station, went there yesterday and rough is an understatement during the half term.

 

[ComUtoR]

the incident outlined how poor safety is for customers really. Security should be at the station.

I think your post highlights your ignorance.

The railways is an open access, public space. How do you prevent any incident ? Should we have scanners at every public entrance ? I use the railways regularly... and I can tell you that there are armed police at some locations. That still doesn't prevent an incident.

Frankly, you could walk into any mainline station with a rocket launcher and blow a few units to hell before you were even remotely stopped. I think some commuters would barely take a second glance and then complain that their train was late.

I'm sorry but any security would be there purely to make you feel all warm and comfortable inside.

 

[ungreat]

I think your post highlights your ignorance.

The railways is an open access, public space. How do you prevent any incident ? Should we have scanners at every public entrance ? I use the railways regularly... and I can tell you that there are armed police at some locations. That still doesn't prevent an incident.

Frankly, you could walk into any mainline station with a rocket launcher and blow a few units to hell before you were even remotely stopped. I think some commuters would barely take a second glance and then complain that their train was late.

I'm sorry but any security would be there purely to make you feel all warm and comfortable inside.

As a 28 year railwayman I really can't agree any more! Absolutely spot on

 

[Johnuk123]

I don't think you could call a stabbing in London a "major incident" it happens every single day without exception.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The railways is an open access, public space. How do you prevent any incident ? Should we have scanners at every public entrance ? I use the railways regularly... and I can tell you that there are armed police at some locations. That still doesn't prevent an incident.

Well said. However, there should not be a need to clarify such a matter, being self-evident, but apparently not to certain people...:roll:

 

[charley_17/7]

One of the issues is the multiple areas of responsibility between LU, TfL/MTRC, AGA and LO. Having four 'SFOs' (Station Facility Owners) for what is essentially one station is ridiculous.

 

[EM2]

Well obviously the person who stabbed is at fault but the incident outlined how poor safety is for customers really. Security should be at the station, went there yesterday and rough is an understatement during the half term.

Rough? I've been using the station for eight years and never even seen an issue.
I've felt more unsafe at South Tottenham and Seven Sisters than I have at Stratford.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I don't think you could call a stabbing in London a "major incident" it happens every single day without exception.

I was just going to post something similar. Of course the railway couldn't have prevented this from happening, but it sounds like it was very poorly dealt with.

As for the Stratford station being rough, I don't think so!

 

[AlanFry1]

I was just going to post something similar. Of course the railway couldn't have prevented this from happening, but it sounds like it was very poorly dealt with.

As for the Stratford station being rough, I don't think so!

an
it was poorly dealt with, it's reported on twitter with a lot of users that there was poor communcation between staff and customers.

 

[ComUtoR]

One of the issues is the multiple areas of responsibility between LU, TfL/MTRC, AGA and LO. Having four 'SFOs' (Station Facility Owners) for what is essentially one station is ridiculous.

Its a non issue altogether. Seriously; you cannot protect an open space that is publicly accessible. If you had a single station owner or a million individual owners each protecting a square metre of space it would not make a blind bit of difference.

The whole point of the railway station is that anyone can rock up and get on a train. There is no bag check, no scanners, no customs, no check in, no nothing. That is the whole point of PUBLIC transport.

What there is, is. BTP patrols, undercover officers, sniffer dogs, CCTV, Staff visibility, Staff security checks, Local cozzers, public diligence, and scary looking dudes with MP5's and AR-15's

Sticking high visibility security acts as a deterrent to serious crime and reassures the public. However; the more security you add the less people wish to travel.

Remember Jean Charles de Menezes ? People want to feel safe and that happens where security is not needed. If you want to actually be safe then I suggest an alternative method of travel.

 

[PHILIPE]

an
it was poorly dealt with, it's reported on twitter with a lot of users that there was poor communcation between staff and customers.

Not confined to a Stratford issue. It happens everywhere.

 

[Llanigraham]

an
it was poorly dealt with, it's reported on twitter with a lot of users that there was poor communcation between staff and customers.

Now perhaps you would like to explain what you would have done? Perhaps you would like full body contact searches of all passengers and single entry turnstiles?

 

[Nym]

What there is, is. BTP patrols, undercover officers, sniffer dogs, CCTV, Staff visibility, Staff security checks, Local cozzers, public diligence, and scary looking dudes with MP5's and AR-15's

Not to be overly critical, but they appear to be HK416s with a Glock 17 on the right leg. They're not STANAG Magazines...

I don't recall the UK Police in any guise using AR-15s

 

[221129]

an
it was poorly dealt with, it's reported on twitter with a lot of users that there was poor communcation between staff and customers.

Could that be because they were busy dealing with said incident? :roll:

 

[ComUtoR]

Not to be overly critical, but they appear to be HK416s

That's because the picture is just a picture I found to highlight scary dudes with guns.

The BTP firearms unit carry the Lewis Machine & Tools (LMT) CQB carbine, a short-barreled semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 5.56mm x 45mm NATO cartridge and based on the AR-15 design.

 

[AlanFry1]

Now perhaps you would like to explain what you would have done? Perhaps you would like full body contact searches of all passengers and single entry turnstiles?

Well yes? There isn't a visable BTP presence at the London teenage half term hotspot. Sorry but simple as, a certain crowd attracts a certain crime. TFL should understand this, and work with westfield security.
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Could that be because they were busy dealing with said incident? :roll:

Nope - Police were dealing with the incident, there response to the incident isn;t the issue, it's causing a crush which could have been fatal had AGA have had severe delays or one of the tube lines had been suspended.

 

[grumblingalong]

WhiteHartLane your contempt for members of railway staff is not helping your cause as you seem to be blindly attaching all blame to them, they still had a station to run, trains to see away etc. Just because you personally did not get involved or see them doing something does not mean they were hiding.

You still haven't actually explained what you would have done to alleviate the crushload, just turned that into a chance to have a bit more of a dig at the TOCs involved. A more balanced argument from yourself would only be of benefit to your cause.

 

[EM2]

Nope - Police were dealing with the incident, there response to the incident isn;t the issue, it's causing a crush which could have been fatal had AGA have had severe delays or one of the tube lines had been suspended.

Their response to the incident was (amongst other things) to request that the underpass between the Overground and the Jubilee line be closed.
Now, when you have the busiest station outside Zone 1 with one of its major thoroughfares and interchanges blocked off in the middle of the peak, it's going to get very, very busy everywhere else on the station.

 

[bb21]

Well yes? There isn't a visable BTP presence at the London teenage half term hotspot. Sorry but simple as, a certain crowd attracts a certain crime. TFL should understand this, and work with westfield security.

What have teenagers done to upset you now?

"Deeper hole" and "stop digging" comes to mind.

 

[Max]

Just to update on this thread, some may be aware already that tragically the victim of the attack has died: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34661305