Invincible
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From RTT the first test did not seem to run yesterday?
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SWR Class 458 to be retained
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No it didnt, however I did say it was down to driver availability, there is a pathway in for tomorrow & Friday but I'm not in a position
to say whether it runs or not.
Invincible
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Thanks, will see if it runs this week, maybe there is someone or webcam who can confirm if it will run as a 12 car train?.
Rogersbmx
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More likely to run tomorrow than it was on Tuesday I’ll say that much.
I see also that at least for the last few days the 13.06 Waterloo-Hampton Court has been a pair of 458s according to Real Time Trains. I think the Hampton Court branch is still mostly 455s, though.
Do the 458s currently have any booked workings to Chessington South, Dorking, or Guildford via Bookham or Cobham?
It replaced a 707 diagram, works 2D (Guildford via epsom) and 2J (Hampton court) cycle as they are interworking services
61653 HTAFC
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Thought they'd run as 12s on the SWML side when new, to Basingstoke or Farnham/Alton... but that's a long time ago and memory isn't the most reliable.
They also took over a weekday 707 diagram that runs ECS from Clapham Yard to Dorking to form an early morning SWR passenger service 1D12 0701 Dorking - Waterloo
SWR is on RTTs 'Know Your Train' so is good to use to double check whats running
Surprised to see the 1145 Guildford - Waterloo via Epsom made up of a 10 car 458?
That’s actually a scheduled working now.
lxfe_mxtterz
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Indeed, it appears the 11:45, 16:28 and 21:45 services from Guildford are all 458s now.
The 10:45 is a 707, and there's a 450 on the 15:58.
Siemens Staines
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It looks like another delivery from Widnes (458425?) has been planned for tomorrow, but as yet I cannot see any onward path from Wembley. I imagine that at some point there will come a time when Bournemouth will have insufficient space to store any more 458/4 and they will be diverted to an alternative location, but I have no idea how close that time is.
5Z51 1051 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech
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5Q62 1553 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
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5Z51 1051 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech
Realtime Trains | 5Z51 1051 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 10/10/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Z51 1051 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 10/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Q62 1553 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1553 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 10/10/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q62 1553 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 10/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Rogersbmx
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458407 and 417.
Thanks @Rogersbmx for the numbers & quick reply.
TT-ONR-NRN
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So how many 458s have either been converted or left to be converted now? Or perhaps it’s just easier to ask which are still working with SWR as a /5?
Thanks for the update. Has 8516 been stood down awaiting transfer? Also, would you happen to know if 8533 is ever going to make a comeback? TIA.
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The path for the onward transfer of 458425 from Wembley to Bournemouth tomorrow now shows on RTT
5X72 1044 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
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5X72 1044 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
Realtime Trains | 5X72 1044 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 11/10/2023
Real-time train running information for 5X72 1044 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 11/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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U.458516 is at Bournemouth Depot having seats & fixtures removed from old 460 coach in readiness for move to Widnes later this week.
Juniper Driver
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Grrr….Still haven't seen the new ones.
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458407 and 458417 at St Denys with 5Q91 13:20 Basingstoke - Bournemouth T&RSMD, on 10th October 2023.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Down to twenty-four 458/5s available for service then, which considering the 707s are gone and nothing arrived since all 456s went and a handful of 455s too, puts all the more pressure on the 450s and rest of 455s for now.
WarrenTManager
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29 units of the /5 subclass at the moment.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Quite a few on spare or wheelset leave though right?
Juniper Driver
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Oh, I missed that although I came back from Bournemouth earlier and still they evade me.
Suppose I won't need a refresher as there can't be too many changes in the cab or train.
WarrenTManager
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25 diagrams, 25 available.
1 exam.
1 repair.
1 ultrasonics testing.
1 long term stopper.
Siemens Staines
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The paths for 50007 & 50049 to transfer 458516 to Widnes later today are now on RTT.
5Q73 1610 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech
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5Z52 1841 Widnes Transport Tech to Leicester L.I.P.
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5Q73 1610 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech
Realtime Trains | 5Q73 1610 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech | 12/10/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q73 1610 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech on 12/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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5Z52 1841 Widnes Transport Tech to Leicester L.I.P.
Realtime Trains | 5Z52 1841 Widnes Transport Tech to Leicester L.I.P. | 13/10/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Z52 1841 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Leicester L.I.P. on 13/10/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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DelW
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I'm wondering if I've missed an announcement about these trains...
It seemed from posts much earlier in this thread that the current SWR management had no intention of using the 4-car 458/4s in service. The prototypes of the conversion would be completed and tested in accordance with the initial contract, and would then be stored pending a decision at some future time as to whether the rest of the 458/5 fleet would be converted and redeployed as previously planned.
But now it seems that four /4 units have already been completed with at least two more in preparation, which seems rather more than just completing the initial prototypes. Have SWR decided to continue with the conversions, and so they will eventually turn up to replace the 450s on the Direct? Surely after the wastefulness of the 442 and 769/9 fleets being rebuilt and then never used, we're not going to see another fleet following their example? Apart from anything else, there can be little space available for storing a load of 458/4s in addition to all the 701s cluttering up the available storage locations.
So is there any reliable information regarding how many units will be converted in the current tranche of work?
It seemed from posts much earlier in this thread that the current SWR management had no intention of using the 4-car 458/4s in service. The prototypes of the conversion would be completed and tested in accordance with the initial contract, and would then be stored pending a decision at some future time as to whether the rest of the 458/5 fleet would be converted and redeployed as previously planned.
But now it seems that four /4 units have already been completed with at least two more in preparation, which seems rather more than just completing the initial prototypes. Have SWR decided to continue with the conversions, and so they will eventually turn up to replace the 450s on the Direct? Surely after the wastefulness of the 442 and 769/9 fleets being rebuilt and then never used, we're not going to see another fleet following their example? Apart from anything else, there can be little space available for storing a load of 458/4s in addition to all the 701s cluttering up the available storage locations.
So is there any reliable information regarding how many units will be converted in the current tranche of work?