SWR new services

[pompeyfan]

Quite a few people that sign the traction would happily learn the road, but it’s a bit far off the beaten track for me considering I only sign as far as Poole!

 

[43096]

It’s even more complicated than that
For the foreseeable future, that run will be 8 x 455 vice 1 x 707 vice 2 x 450.

Better as a pair of 455s, but really ought to show on JourneyCheck as having no toilet facilities.

 

[infobleep]

Better as a pair of 455s, but really ought to show on JourneyCheck as having no toilet facilities.

It most definitely should.

Today due to a signalling fault, train have to run slowly through Wimbledon. This meant all fast trains to Waterloo were skipping Clapham Junction, with those from Exeter terminating at Basingstoke.

I wouldn't have managed this but I heard an announcement saying passengers for Clapham Junction should circulate via Waterloo. Now there are times during the morning and evening week day peak when fast trains don't stop at Clapham Junction. If only they would let people circulate via Waterloo then, when going to Clapham Junction, as it's faster than getting a stopping train.

 

[nuts & bolts]

It most definitely should.

Today due to a signalling fault, train have to run slowly through Wimbledon. This meant all fast trains to Waterloo were skipping Clapham Junction, with those from Exeter terminating at Basingstoke.

I wouldn't have managed this but I heard an announcement saying passengers for Clapham Junction should circulate via Waterloo. Now there are times during the morning and evening week day peak when fast trains don't stop at Clapham Junction. If only they would let people circulate via Waterloo then, when going to Clapham Junction, as it's faster than getting a stopping train.

Then you would have mayham as customers arriving at Waterloo blocking the Gateline with incorrect (over carried) tickets and searching for the next train out to Clapham Jct.

 

[infobleep]

Then you would have mayham as customers arriving at Waterloo blocking the Gateline with incorrect (over carried) tickets and searching for the next train out to Clapham Jct.

Surely you'd be having that yesterday too. I was surprised they said to passengers, circulate via Clapham Junction, when the stopping trains were running to Clapham Junction.

At Woking during the morning peak you don't even get stopping trains to Clapham Junction.

 

[pompeyfan]

It’s all about the greater good. And it’s perfectly valid to travel to Clapham via Waterloo on a weekday if you purchase a ticket routed via London not LU.

 

[infobleep]

It’s all about the greater good. And it’s perfectly valid to travel to Clapham via Waterloo on a weekday if you purchase a ticket routed via London not LU.

Indeed it is, just as it would have been valid to do say yesterday when they told people to travel via Waterloo.
Wys not forget their are off peak and super off peak tickets on weekends due to crowds travelling to London.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

Then you would have mayham as customers arriving at Waterloo blocking the Gateline with incorrect (over carried) tickets and searching for the next train out to Clapham Jct.

Regardless of whatever ticket was held, all passengers for CLJ were allowed to and told to circulate via Waterloo.

 

[nuts & bolts]

My comment was regarding Mon-Fri during the peaks and tickets not via London. When disruption is going on then circulation via Waterloo is allowed when services are skipping Clapham Jct,

 

[infobleep]

My comment was regarding Mon-Fri during the peaks and tickets not via London. When disruption is going on then circulation via Waterloo is allowed when services are skipping Clapham Jct,

I know it's allowed but why when they don't allow it during the week.

If there was disruption in the peaks, not allowing fast trains to stop at Clapham Junction, would they allow people to circulate via Waterloo?

 

[nuts & bolts]

I know it's allowed but why when they don't allow it during the week.

If there was disruption in the peaks, not allowing fast trains to stop at Clapham Junction, would they allow people to circulate via Waterloo?

Mainline terminals with multiple Tube lines such as Waterloo & Euston during disruption will have very large passenger flows to and from the underground from respective concourses causing suspension of use to one or more escalators to be closed, such is the amount of passenger flows in these areas.

 

[swt_passenger]

It most definitely should.

Today due to a signalling fault, train have to run slowly through Wimbledon. This meant all fast trains to Waterloo were skipping Clapham Junction, with those from Exeter terminating at Basingstoke.

I wouldn't have managed this but I heard an announcement saying passengers for Clapham Junction should circulate via Waterloo. Now there are times during the morning and evening week day peak when fast trains don't stop at Clapham Junction. If only they would let people circulate via Waterloo then, when going to Clapham Junction, as it's faster than getting a stopping train.

So nothing whatsoever to do with SWT’s new services or revised timetable?

 

[30907]

I know it's allowed but why when they don't allow it during the week.

If there was disruption in the peaks, not allowing fast trains to stop at Clapham Junction, would they allow people to circulate via Waterloo?

As fast trains dont generally stop at CLJ in the peaks, isn't this academic?

 

[infobleep]

So nothing whatsoever to do with SWT’s new services or revised timetable?

Nothing to do with the new timetable, just as journey check not showing trains as having no toilets, as 43096 commented, is nothing to do with the new timetable, beyond it being a different type of rolling stock in use.

I could say there are different trains going into Waterloo, that may have stopped at Clapham Junction, but. couldn't That is a tenuous link though.

 

[infobleep]

As fast trains dont generally stop at CLJ in the peaks, isn't this academic?

Either side of it they would though and the disruption would likely last longer than just the period when they wouldn't stop there. Would they allow people to circulate only either side of the High pew. OK that's far fetched and I'm not being totally serious.

Going bavk to the timetable, I suggested in the original consultation that they allow people to circulate via Waterloo, given the gap between services was going to get greater. Stopping trains are packed, like fast trains. However they didn't put in the full timetable change so it never arose.

Back to the timetable as is, I've noticed that trains to Farnham are using platform 5 at Guildford and trains to Waterloo are using platform 6. This was the case yesterday, more than once and also on Tuesday, at least once. I dont know why this is but they seem to be platform changes as the indicator board is flashing to indicate a change of platform.

 

[Antman]

Did you look on journey check?
https://www.journeycheck.com/swr/?

I think it will have already arrived into Waterloo so I cannot see it listed. However I was told on Twetter that short formations are reported by guards so unless they report it, it won't be listed.

I see there is a defective bit of track at Wimbledon. They were going to fix it overnight but this appears not to have been completed, for whatever reasons, so some trains are being cancelled or started short, in addition to those not running.
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another start of a working week. And short formed again. If it happens again next week I’ll be wondering whether it’s intentional....

And another infrastructure failure... though Weybridge, not Wimbledon this time.

 

[infobleep]

another start of a working week. And short formed again. If it happens again next week I’ll be wondering whether it’s intentional....

And another infrastructure failure... though Weybridge, not Wimbledon this time.

Although not related to the new timetable, it affected the Guildford New Line due to stock workings across both lines. The only difference this time is that there isn't get a disruption notice on Guildford New Line only stations, on National Rail Enquiries. At least you do get something against each individual service.

 

[Bigfoot]

another start of a working week. And short formed again. If it happens again next week I’ll be wondering whether it’s intentional....

And another infrastructure failure... though Weybridge, not Wimbledon this time.

There are a few regular short forms because of the lack of 442s.

 

[infobleep]

There are a few regular short forms because of the lack of 442s.

Given that they have paused their train upgrade programme, I would assume there are more seats across the whole network, even with the short formations, than there were prior to the May timetable change.

Obviously that might be no comfort to someone who decides on a train, unaware it's going to be shortformed.

 

[SWRtrainfan]

Given that they have puased their trim upgrade programme

The trim upgrade programme has not been paused. It is just being done at a slower rate than previously.

 

[pompeyfan]

The trim upgrade programme has not been paused. It is just being done at a slower rate than previously.

So infobleep is correct in stating that there are more seats in traffic as they’re using maintenance spares as well as reducing the amount of units being worked on in Arlington.

 

[infobleep]

The trim upgrade programme has not been paused. It is just being done at a slower rate than previously.

As Donald Trump might say, I misspoke when I said it has been paused. More correctly though I miss remembered what I'd read.

However that doesn't change the fact there are more seats.

 

[Antman]

Although not related to the new timetable, it affected the Guildford New Line due to stock workings across both lines. The only difference this time is that there isn't get a disruption notice on Guildford New Line only stations, on National Rail Enquiries. At least you do get something against each individual service.

And another day, another infrastructure failure. Track circuit at Wimbledon this time. I think more knighthoods are needed to fix the problems ....

 

[Twotwo]

And another day, another infrastructure failure. Track circuit at Wimbledon this time. I think more knighthoods are needed to fix the problems ....

Out of curiosity, why is there always a track circuit failure at Wimbledon? The hotspots are Wimbledon and Vauxhall.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

Out of curiosity, why is there always a track circuit failure at Wimbledon? The hotspots are Wimbledon and Vauxhall.

Today’s issue was a blown 20A relay fuse.
I’m not qualified enough to give a proper reason as to why, so make your own assumptions!

 

[Antman]

Same service (1A14) shortformed Every day this week. Nothing on journey check today.

This is getting deliberate ...

 

[Bigfoot]

Same service (1A14) shortformed Every day this week. Nothing on journey check today.

This is getting deliberate ...

There are a few regular short forms because of the lack of 442s.

Really starting to wonder why myself and others bother to post if other members won't read threads before they post again.

 

[Antman]

So it’s acceptable To change timetables to run what are already full services at two thirds of the train length. Because of someone else’s cock up/failing/act of god/divine intervention. They have chosen to maintain the timetable change without the stock to do it. And crow over it. And passengers, as ever, suffer. They still collect the revenue and deliver a much worse service. How is that reasonable for us ?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

So it’s acceptable To change timetables to run what are already full services at two thirds of the train length. Because of someone else’s cock up/failing/act of god/divine intervention. They have chosen to maintain the timetable change without the stock to do it. And crow over it. And passengers, as ever, suffer. They still collect the revenue and deliver a much worse service. How is that reasonable for us ?

Because plans sadly don’t always go to plan....

 

[OneOffDave]

I'm getting conflicting information from SWR re short forming of the 1723 WAT-BAS. According to some in customer service it's an ad hoc change that may or may not happen on a day by day basis and according to others ion the same department it's a permanent change until they get the 442 situation sorted. They are either lying, not bothering to check or being given incorrect/incomplete information. The service was already full and standing as a 12, next week when everyone is back it's going to be really cosy as an 8