No1) if NR closes the bridge, will it inspire/force Surrey CC to do something about the pavements situation?
No2) will Surrey CC block NR closing the bridge, unless NR either build a new bridge or contribute to pavement+road improvements?
No1) if NR closes the bridge, will it inspire/force Surrey CC to do something about the pavements situation?
No2) will Surrey CC block NR closing the bridge, unless NR either build a new bridge or contribute to pavement+road improvements?
I don't remember those ones but I do have one or two of the thinner ones. I aquired them when they weren't collected for some reason. I think they were handed out but no one was at the back entrance to collect them.These will become a collectors item then! Didn't keep these as was crossing the bridge, took a photo for the record though glad I did!
Are they now issuing bridge passes again? Right before the footbridge closure to non-passengers, it was just a verbal 'agreement' to get across the bridge.These will become a collectors item then! Didn't keep these as was crossing the bridge, took a photo for the record though glad I did!
Pretty sure that there is no provision for a public footbridge in the new station they are building. From what I remember of looking at the plans weeks ago the ‘Great Wall of Guildford’ has blocked that opportunity off.If they want to make this permanent, either a separate footbridge should be constructed or the council should rework the pavement down Guildford Park Road/Farnham Road Bridge and around the corner of the Gyratory, it simply isn't suitable for large masses or those with accessibility needs. I've seen plenty of people slip down that steep pavement on the Gyratory corner. Imo, a dream solution would be a wholly accessible and separate footbridge just alongside the current footbridge, but I know that's not possible given the financial situation recently.
I do have one or two of the thinner ones
Are they now issuing bridge passes again? Right before the footbridge closure to non-passengers, it was just a verbal 'agreement' to get across the bridge.
Probably pre-covid but I can't remember for sure. They might even be South West Trains ones.When were they given out, please? I ask because SWR are basing computations of lost revenue on bridge passes that went missing in November 2022. Their website on 30 October last year said:
"A study commissioned by SWR in November 2022 found that almost 2,000 bridge passes went missing in just 25 days. It is estimated that improper use of the bridge passes has led to hundreds of thousands of pounds being lost through fare evasion."
Doesn't alterations to the agreement have to be approved either by Guildford BC/Surrey CC, or by application to the land tribunal though? Would they really roll over and let it happen if it's going to cause issues with pedestrian safety in Guildford?No
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The devil is always in the detail but the Sheffield precedent is an interesting comparison.Doesn't alterations to the agreement have to be approved either by Guildford BC/Surrey CC, or by application to the land tribunal though? Would they really roll over and let it happen if it's going to cause issues with pedestrian safety in Guildford?
What is the Sheffield precedent, sorry?The devil is always in the detail but the Sheffield precedent is an interesting comparison.
Sheffield's footbridge is a registered public footpath, a public right of way; Guildford footbridge isn't as far as I can see from the comments here, so I don't see the precedent.The devil is always in the detail but the Sheffield precedent is an interesting comparison.
EMR trying to cease public access to footbridge over Sheffield station was blocked by the local council. However l'm not sure of the full details hence my reticence to go further.What is the Sheffield precedent, sorry?
None of the county council’s business.Doesn't alterations to the agreement have to be approved either by Guildford BC/Surrey CC, or by application to the land tribunal though? Would they really roll over and let it happen if it's going to cause issues with pedestrian safety in Guildford?
Re your last sentence that is exactly the sort of attitude that results in lost judicial reviews.None of the county council’s business.
As far as the district council is concerned, if they won’t approve it then it goes off to the government on appeal.
Either way, Surrey can sling its hook.
But the county council has no role or jurisdiction in the matter. That is the fundamental reality of the situation.Re your last sentence that is exactly the sort of attitude that results in lost judicial reviews.
Thanks for clarifying this. I wasn't sure if the agreement between BRB was with Guildford BC or Surrey CC, which is why I mentioned both.But the county council has no role or jurisdiction in the matter. That is the fundamental reality of the situation.
Ah, ok. That makes much more sense, apologies if l misunderstood a slightly unclear post.But the county council has no role or jurisdiction in the matter. That is the fundamental reality of the situation.
One of the entrances to Guildford Railway station will be closed to passengers for two weeks as safety measures are installed. The plans mean the Park Road way in will be inaccessible at the beginning of next month.
From April 2nd until April 14th work,will be taking place to install Hostile Vehicle Mitigation barriers which will prevent cars from driving into Guildford Station.
I was wondering if this was being done by Surrey Council, National Highways or Network Rail. I just checked on Surrey Councils map of roadworks, it appears to be Network Rail Infrastructure Limited that are responsible for the closure and works: https://one.network/?GB137534560Surrey Live is reporting that the west (Guildford Park Road) entrance will be closed for two weeks at the beginning of April for installation of vehicle bollards. These are presumably located along the kerbside as it says there will also be single lane traffic with signals.
It's a Reach site, so be prepared for all the usual adverts, pop-ups etc.
Guildford Station entrance to be closed for weeks as safety measures put in
Passengers will need to walk around the train station if they are coming from the Park Road sidewww.getsurrey.co.uk
If there was any hint of it being a public right of way then Surrey County Council, as Highway Authority would have an interest. That still might be a possibility if anyone dug out any historic record that implied such a thing. It can't be deemed a right of way due to uninterrupted use as the whole bridge permit thing shows that crossing the bridge was with the railways' permission.But the county council has no role or jurisdiction in the matter. That is the fundamental reality of the situation.
"Hostile Vehicle Mitigation barriers"Surrey Live is reporting that the west (Guildford Park Road) entrance will be closed for two weeks at the beginning of April for installation of vehicle bollards. These are presumably located along the kerbside as it says there will also be single lane traffic with signals.
It's a Reach site, so be prepared for all the usual adverts, pop-ups etc.
Guildford Station entrance to be closed for weeks as safety measures put in
Passengers will need to walk around the train station if they are coming from the Park Road sidewww.getsurrey.co.uk
Suggests that someone has had recent counter-terrorism advice...."Hostile Vehicle Mitigation barriers"
They mean bollards??? What kind of language is that?? Feels biased imo.
That was my translation too ..."Hostile Vehicle Mitigation barriers"
They mean bollards??? What kind of language is that?? Feels biased imo.
Or South Western Railway could have coincided the pedestrian closure with the NR works, which I would have thought would have been easier to sort.I was wondering if this was being done by Surrey Council, National Highways or Network Rail. I just checked on Surrey Councils map of roadworks, it appears to be Network Rail Infrastructure Limited that are responsible for the closure and works: https://one.network/?GB137534560
Seems a shame they couldn't have coincided this with SWR's trial closure of the bridge though.
IMPORTANT NEWS
Please see below for a message from Network Rail in regards to the upcoming closure of the Guildford Park Road entrance at the station.
Do share as appropriate - thank you!
Angela
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Dear Stakeholders,
Railway Improvement – Vehicle mitigation measures to be installed outside Guildford Park Road Entrance
This is to inform you that as part of our continued effort to increase the safety for our passengers, we’ll be installing some Hostile Vehicle Mitigation (HVM) barriers to prevent vehicles driving into Guildford station.
The works are planned to take two weeks starting on 2 April 2024 to 14 April from 8am to 8pm.
This work is being carried out as a regional program to increase the safety for our passengers as they use our stations.
What does the work involve?
The works will involve digging of shallow foundations to install the steelworks and the bollards. Due to the nature of this activity, this will involve the use of heavy machinery to break into the ground which will be noisy. To carry out the works in a safe manner, we’ve been working with the local authority for a traffic management plan. Traffic will be restricted to single lane flow, controlled by traffic lights along the Guildford Park Road for the duration of the works.
Along with this, to ensure that all passengers, our teams, and construction works are kept safe, the station entrance on Guildford Park Road will be closed during this period.
This will mean that all users of Guildford station will require to use the main entrance and follow the diversion route as shown in the map attached.
To complete the works within the time frame, we will be working between the hours of 8am and 8pm, weekdays and there will be some reduced hours working over the weekend.
If you have any questions about these works, please feel free to get in contact at any time.
*See below for a picture of the diversionary route for passengers / residents.
bollards implies just traffic issues. HVM is to stop vehicles being deliberately driven into groups of pedestrians. Like the letters at Arsenal's stadium's, and all the stuff going on on London's bridges now."Hostile Vehicle Mitigation barriers"
They mean bollards??? What kind of language is that?? Feels biased imo.
Exactly this. So many places and buildings have them already without people even knowing their real purpose and underlying strength. A YouTube search for vehicle bollard test or similar will throw up results of just how resilient they are.bollards implies just traffic issues. HVM is to stop vehicles being deliberately driven into groups of pedestrians. Like the letters at Arsenal's stadium's, and all the stuff going on on London's bridges now.