The 2024 US presidential election.

[DarloRich]

Not just abortion. He’s an entry level misogynist anyway.

absolutely - but his views on abortion will be the entry point for challenge!

 

[Busaholic]

If Michelle Obama put herself forward for the Presidency, with her husband's backing, who in the Democrats would come out against her? She'd be much more likely to win than Harris. There's been plenty of talk about this possibility, even though she undoubtedly has extreme doubts, but might just consider it in order to save democracy (for the moment) in the USA.

 

[brad465]

If Michelle Obama put herself forward for the Presidency, with her husband's backing, who in the Democrats would come out against her? She'd be much more likely to win than Harris. There's been plenty of talk about this possibility, even though she undoubtedly has extreme doubts, but might just consider it in order to save democracy (for the moment) in the USA.

Whatever her competency, the US seems to be having a problem with having the same few families all over their politics, which is ironic considering they fought a war to be rid of hereditary rulers.

 

[londonbridge]

On another forum of which I’m a member, someone opened a can of worms by asking if it was possible for Harris to have Obama as her vice president nominee, on the basis that if she were elected and then died or became incapacitated whilst in office, would Obama be allowed to take over given that he’s already served two terms as president?

 

[Busaholic]

Whatever her competency, the US seems to be having a problem with having the same few families all over their politics, which is ironic considering they fought a war to be rid of hereditary rulers.

Wait until the Trump dynasty take over, they'll be worse than North Korea's leaders. Corrupt judges have now given Donald Trump free reign to do whatever he wants to if he gets re-elected, so in effect a monarchy will be created, with compliant Republican senators and representatives with the exalted, overrated American Constitution amended to his liking with Supreme Court backing. Not hyperbole, guaranteed to happen in a short period of time.

On another forum of which I’m a member, someone opened a can of worms by asking if it was possible for Harris to have Obama as her vice president nominee, on the basis that if she were elected and then died or became incapacitated whilst in office, would Obama be allowed to take over given that he’s already served two terms as president?

People disagree on this, but my reading of the 12th Amendment says definitely not.

 

[simonw]

If Michelle Obama put herself forward for the Presidency, with her husband's backing, who in the Democrats would come out against her? She'd be much more likely to win than Harris. There's been plenty of talk about this possibility, even though she undoubtedly has extreme doubts, but might just consider it in order to save democracy (for the moment) in the USA.

She has no political experience AFAIK. Why would people vote for her.

 

[Busaholic]

She has no political experience AFAIK. Why would people vote for her.

Er, Donald Trump had no political experience in 2016....

 

[uglymonkey]

Re Obama, don't think you can serve more than 2 terms. Roosevelt served 4 ( OK died on 4th) so they changed the constitution to prevent it happening again?

 

[Busaholic]

Re Obama, don't think you can serve more than 2 terms. Roosevelt served 4 ( OK died on 4th) so they changed the constitution to prevent it happening again?

Yes

 

[simonw]

Er, Donald Trump had no political experience in 2016....

Yep and look where that got us.

 

[brad465]

Wait until the Trump dynasty take over, they'll be worse than North Korea's leaders. Corrupt judges have now given Donald Trump free reign to do whatever he wants to if he gets re-elected, so in effect a monarchy will be created, with compliant Republican senators and representatives with the exalted, overrated American Constitution amended to his liking with Supreme Court backing. Not hyperbole, guaranteed to happen in a short period of time.

January 6th will become known as "Tremendous Trump day": every year on this day the masses will gather to shoot fireworks and from AR-15s directly at government buildings across the country. Then mobs will storm them and capture a "traitor" who will then be hung to death infront of the building. The "Donald Trump saltire", a flag consisting of the confederate cross and Trump's face on each of the four quadrants, will then be raised on every government building, and banners will drop from the walls showing Trump's fist raising defiance shot after the assassination attempt. Trump will then broadcast to the nation his latest propaganda, with everyone proceeding to bow down and "kiss the ring". Secret Service will be on standby to shoot anyone who fails to honour this ritual.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Pelosi has just endorsed Harris.

 

[Yankee01]

On another forum of which I’m a member, someone opened a can of worms by asking if it was possible for Harris to have Obama as her vice president nominee, on the basis that if she were elected and then died or became incapacitated whilst in office, would Obama be allowed to take over given that he’s already served two terms as president?

The overative text of the 22nd amendment as it stands right now:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

I suppose for Barrack's case, he wouldn't be elected to the office of President, he'd assume the office via succession. The restriction is placed upon being elected President.

 

[Busaholic]

Yep and look where that got us.

Well, Michelle Obama would attract few votes from previous Trump supporters, who were the ones who 'got us' to that point.

 

[Tester]

The overative text of the 22nd amendment as it stands right now:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

I suppose for Barrack's case, he wouldn't be elected to the office of President, he'd assume the office via succession. The restriction is placed upon being elected President.

I guess the Supreme Court would need to rule on that

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Whatever her competency, the US seems to be having a problem with having the same few families all over their politics, which is ironic considering they fought a war to be rid of hereditary rulers.

Yes in 2016 Jeb Bush tried to run but did not make the primaries. His father and brother had already been president of course.

 

[Busaholic]

The overative text of the 22nd amendment as it stands right now:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

I suppose for Barrack's case, he wouldn't be elected to the office of President, he'd assume the office via succession. The restriction is placed upon being elected President.

You choose to overlook:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.

QED.

 

[birchesgreen]

Obama can't be VP, as he is ineligible to be president again.

Why are some folks obsessed with non-politicians becoming president, Michelle Obama? Still its as crazy as someone on another forum suggesting Melania.

 

[Ediswan]

You choose to overlook:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.

Which is part of the 12th ammendment, so easy to miss when looking at the 22nd.

 

[brad465]

Obama can't be VP, as he is ineligible to be president again.

Why are some folks obsessed with non-politicians becoming president, Michelle Obama? Still its as crazy as someone on another forum suggesting Melania.

Because the media want politics to be like reality TV, so go after reality TV stars to become politicians, even though the two should never get mixed up.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I still believe the media is part of the problem and not part of the solution in the USA political scene. They stir it up for ratings.

 

[nlogax]

Why are some folks obsessed with non-politicians becoming president, Michelle Obama? Still its as crazy as someone on another forum suggesting Melania.

Political crayonista / fantasy dream ticket stuff.

 

[Busaholic]

Obama can't be VP, as he is ineligible to be president again.

Why are some folks obsessed with non-politicians becoming president, Michelle Obama? Still its as crazy as someone on another forum suggesting Melania.

Trump was a non-politician. There's an argument to be made that he still is. Hillary Clinton was a non-politician once too. it didn't stop her gaining two million more votes in 2016 than Trump. Did she complain of a ''stolen Presidency''? Comparing Michelle Obama to the fourth (?) Mrs Trump is an insult, with her background. Michelle Obama would be a shoo-in, as the MAGA cult are well aware and must fear most. In the meantime the Democrats play their stupid games.

 

[43096]

Obama can't be VP, as he is ineligible to be president again.

Why are some folks obsessed with non-politicians becoming president, Michelle Obama?

She alwys strikes me as being far too sensible to get involved directly in politics! I think Barack was asked, if he could have stood for a third term, would he have done so - and answered, basically, "No. Michelle wouldn't have let me".

 

[railfan99]

In the USA with voluntary voting, how do candidates encourage 'Registered Democrats' and 'Registered Republicans' plus the non-aligned to vote?

In the UK I gather you have lists of people who on election day can be doorknocked if they've not turned up at the polling station.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Hillary Clinton was a non-politician once too. it didn't stop her gaining two million more votes in 2016 than Trump. Did she complain of a ''stolen Presidency''?

Yes she most certainly did and there extant clips of her saying exactly that. Various media personalities have also pointed the hypocrisy out with comments such as “We are getting to the stage that the other side is going to say “”The election was stolen unless they win”” which is not good”. I will post links tomorrow if you can’t find them.

 

[birchesgreen]

Trump was a non-politician.

Yeah that worked out well.

 

[kristiang85]

Lots of growing rumours going round that Biden had a TIA (a 'mini' stroke) last week in Las Vegas, rather than COVID (or alongside COVID), which would fit with a lot of the activity going on right now despite announcements he is over his COVID (not being seen at all apart from a single voice call yesterday, powers being redelegated behind the scenes, his sudden drop out and a sudden focused support for Harris, nobody there to meet Netanyahu, etc). Whilst TIAs in themselves often do not have permanent consequences, at his age and presumed stress levels the chances of a full on stroke in the time after are likely concerningly high.

Now it could be a lot of people putting two and two together and coming up with 5, but definitely something to watch as chatter levels about this are going beyond mere internet rumors that are easily quashed. If these are true and there is a long term risk to his health, then we might be seeing signs of a transition of power prior to the election.

But hopefully we will see him in the next couple of days which will silence this.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Trump was a non-politician. There's an argument to be made that he still is. Hillary Clinton was a non-politician once too. it didn't stop her gaining two million more votes in 2016 than Trump.

Agree about Trump - he wasn't a politician until he run for presidency. Not true of Hilary Clinton though: She was a Senator for New York from 2001-2008, and in 2008 attempted to stand for president, but lost in the primaries to Barack Obama before serving as his Secretary of State. So by the time of here 2016 presidential run, I'd say she was very definitely a politician

Yes she most certainly did and there extant clips of her saying exactly that. Various media personalities have also pointed the hypocrisy out with comments such as “We are getting to the stage that the other side is going to say “”The election was stolen unless they win”” which is not good”. I will post links tomorrow if you can’t find them.

I'm not sure what she said, but realistically - unlike Trump in 2020, there was a good case in 2016 for arguing that the election was stolen from the Democrats because Hilary Clinton did actually get millions more votes than Trump did (Clinton got about 66 million votes, Trump about 63 million). It was despite Clinton's victory in the popular vote that the US's ridiculous electoral college system caused Trump to be declared the winner and therefore installed as president.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I'm not sure what she said, but realistically - unlike Trump in 2020, there was a good case in 2016 for arguing that the election was stolen from the Democrats because Hilary Clinton did actually get millions more votes than Trump did (Clinton got about 66 million votes, Trump about 63 million). It was despite Clinton's victory in the popular vote that the US's ridiculous electoral college system caused Trump to be declared the winner and therefore installed as president.

is the electoral college in need of reform? probably
Was it fair that Hilary lost? Probably not.

Was the election “stolen”? No, or she would not have made the phone call to Trump and conceded and done so again to her supporters- and she would have gone to court to get the result overturned.

It may sound like semantic, but imho using hyperbole such as “stolen” is not helping in turning down the rhetoric.