)left Yeovil around 06:45, with the first up from Exeter following around 30 mins later. Wasn't unknown for a 4-TC/33 to turn up instead- presumably the papers got carried on the seats??? I have read that the regular passenger coaches were from an Oxted line set
Interesting. So was that common on NSE trains or was it just certain locations/services which had them? I assume the newspaper van (GUV?) was being taken back up to London after a Down service the night before or similar?
BG's adapted for parcels and other NPC,s were painted all over blue in the 70's and early 80's. It was the full BG's which were Blue and Grey
This doesn't count as a mixed train. Parcels vans were classified as Non Passenger Carrying Coaching Stock and trains including or even fully formed with those vehicles could officially be operated as passenger trains (although sometimes at lower speed). Over the years quite a number of types that the casual observer would describe as goods vans were similarly classified (indicated by being marked XP) although in later years the short wheelbase four-wheelers were removed from passenger service, probably because of the number of derailments they caused when run at speed.
Yes, that was also my assumption, Peter. Being a Crewkerne resident at the time, I never saw the 01:40 / 06:45 Yeovil Junction services mentioned by ChiefPlanner and randyripley, which certainly sound interesting! I accept these don't count as mixed traffic consists; I just remembered the "Newspapers" branding on that leading vehicle. I don't actually recall the Exeter sets having 2 such vehicles, but that's more a comment on my fading memory than anything else ....
I would imagine so - 15ft+ wb vehicles covered all the normal parcels stock, which was permitted at 60mph IIRC (75 earlier), and the Mallaig line has nothing higher.
Oh OK - thanks for explaining it. Now I think about it, in some of the Working Timetables I have from that sort of period, the passenger and parcels trains are all grouped together - I assume because they, as you said, are both (or can both be) classified as passenger trains.
I agree - a 4TC being used for such a purpose is really quite intriguing!Yes, that was also my assumption, Peter. Being a Crewkerne resident at the time, I never saw the 01:40 / 06:45 Yeovil Junction services mentioned by ChiefPlanner and randyripley, which certainly sound interesting! I accept these don't count as mixed traffic consists; I just remembered the "Newspapers" branding on that leading vehicle. I don't actually recall the Exeter sets having 2 such vehicles, but that's more a comment on my fading memory than anything else ....
The two newspaper vans are also interesting - the residents of the south-west must have been very up-to-date on current events!Most of the SR paper trains only had an odd BSK and loads of vans. The Yeovil was one exception, because of its return working (and relatively few papers!), but there was also an 0245 Bournemouth/Portsmouth which ran to IIRC 3 passenger vehicles; this returned ECS to Clapham Yard (I wasn't up at 0245!) but for a year or two it ran passenger Brockenhurst-Eastleigh or some such.Yes, that was also my assumption, Peter. Being a Crewkerne resident at the time, I never saw the 01:40 / 06:45 Yeovil Junction services mentioned by ChiefPlanner and randyripley, which certainly sound interesting! I accept these don't count as mixed traffic consists; I just remembered the "Newspapers" branding on that leading vehicle. I don't actually recall the Exeter sets having 2 such vehicles, but that's more a comment on my fading memory than anything else ....
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.This may not qualify as a mixed train, however it is quite a jaw dropping combination in the context of today's railway:
Motorail, Crewe, 12-04-1995
A class 87 leaving Crewe on a Glasgow to Euston service. The 87 is pushing the Mark 3 set and pulling the two Motorial GUV's. The service ended soon after due to privatisation.
This may not qualify as a mixed train, however it is quite a jaw dropping combination in the context of today's railway:
Motorail, Crewe, 12-04-1995
A class 87 leaving Crewe on a Glasgow to Euston service. The 87 is pushing the Mark 3 set and pulling the two Motorial GUV's. The service ended soon after due to privatisation.
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This may not qualify as a mixed train, however it is quite a jaw dropping combination in the context of today's railway:
Motorail, Crewe, 12-04-1995
A class 87 leaving Crewe on a Glasgow to Euston service. The 87 is pushing the Mark 3 set and pulling the two Motorial GUV's. The service ended soon after due to privatisation.
Several bubble cars were converted to parcel cars in the early 80s and often ended up coupled to 2 car DMUs - as they were multiple worked it made for interesting haulage on the Chat Moss and CLC lines between Manchester and Liverpool! I'm not sure which other services they were attached to, or their return journeys - they were usually on the later trains from Manchester.
This may not qualify as a mixed train, however it is quite a jaw dropping combination in the context of today's railway:
Motorail, Crewe, 12-04-1995
A class 87 leaving Crewe on a Glasgow to Euston service. The 87 is pushing the Mark 3 set and pulling the two Motorial GUV's. The service ended soon after due to privatisation.
I was thinking more of the 127's, 114,s and 105's which were converted and painted red, The Bubble cars were class 128 ( built as parcels) and 131 ( converted from122,s) these were often used with passenger services . Also the 302's converted for GE , saw them many times on their own but never with a passenger service train.
I agree - a 4TC being used for such a purpose is really quite intriguing!
-Peter
