True, but a loco hauled version of a Meridian (ie no underfloor engines) would be better still.
313s are a load of crap too.
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313s are a load of crap too.
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Funny I thought run around loops and sidings were taken out as a result of the development of 1st gen dmus, push-pull stock.
Having said that, some branches like the Chesham branch used propulsion on the return journey.
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I LOVE Voyagers!! (and off course Pendolinos, although i haven't been SC on a Pendo yet)
I've not had a smelly 220/221 for a long time now, and I travel on them sometimes, depending on work.
I've not had a smelly 220/221 for a long time now, and I travel on them sometimes, depending on work.
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153's as not enough seats and they are always full, 142's as they are too bouncy and skweely and red 66's as there are too many plus it doesn't help when they don't get looked after!
devon_metro
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153s have a lot of seats considering its on carriage!
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153s are not too bad, as long as they are used on the right services. I'd rarther have a 153 running hourly on a quiet line than a 156 or "better" running 2 hourly or less. They are also useful for adding a third carriage to 2 coach units, particularly useful since some lines a 4 coach would either be too long for platforms or just overkill, yet 2 coaches can't cope with busy times. A more unusual, but still fairly common use is to replace a DM from a 2 car unit. In all of these rolls, they are replacements for the 121s and 122s. There are only 4 inbuilt problems with the 153s, the first being weight, a carry over from the 155s, which are the heaviest of the Sprinters. The 153s are worse, since all have toilets, so the average weight per car is even higher, and a 2 car 153 weights more than a 2 car 155. Oviously, this give more sluggish performance. Also, from a crew point of view, the small cab is far from pleasent. Thirdly, the way the exhaust is diverted through the coach makes them quite noisy at that end, and finally, having just one engine is a reliability issue. Oviously, all of those were not factors on the 1st generation units, since the lack of a trailer made the power to weight ratio higher than most units, the cabs were both full size, the exhaust ran up the front of the cab, and they had 2 engines.
The fact that 153s are often used on services they are not intended for though is by no means a fault of the train, it's the train operating company. It's particularly irritating with companies like Central when it's not uncommon to have a single 153 on a busy working, whilst higher capacity trains are used on much quieter workings. Of cource, the alternative, that is often taken these days, is to go for a one size fits all approach (like the Turbostar) which whilst alright on nearly all services, are well suited to none.
The fact that 153s are often used on services they are not intended for though is by no means a fault of the train, it's the train operating company. It's particularly irritating with companies like Central when it's not uncommon to have a single 153 on a busy working, whilst higher capacity trains are used on much quieter workings. Of cource, the alternative, that is often taken these days, is to go for a one size fits all approach (like the Turbostar) which whilst alright on nearly all services, are well suited to none.
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I like the 153's we get here on the Conwy Valley, though the Heart of Wales 153's do need a bit of work interior wise. The repainted Arriva 153's are much more pleasant with the new seating.
Pacers I don't like, but they do have something about them. Wouldn't fancy a Carlisle-Newcastle trip in one though!
Pacers I don't like, but they do have something about them. Wouldn't fancy a Carlisle-Newcastle trip in one though!
devon_metro
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Come again
If it wasn't for Voyagers, then there would be no Meridians! Show them at least some respect
devon_metro
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If it wasn't for Voyagers, MML would run more HSTs...
devon_metro
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Thats why fGW used to have about 3 MML sets at Laira and VXC run one
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Tom
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That'll be why the MML secret hiring thing has ended and GNER have 2 rakes, FGW have 1 and Virgin are hiring 1...
Techniquest
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Worst things built? Mallards...
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But Mallards weren't built as such, if you're referring to the 91s.
kettlefan
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well judging by our slightly inebriated (I can't type properly!) discussion yesterday, and my rather disappointing (the thing didn't tilt!) ride on a Voyager last summer, I would have to agree on that!
I still hate 455s though.......well, they have their charms.
Techniquest
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Well, the MK4s were re-built...
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No, they were refurbished.
Techniquest
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Near enough the same thing...
So I suppose in terms of worst locos, I'd say...No, I'm going with a unit...Can you guess what it is yet...
442s.
So I suppose in terms of worst locos, I'd say...No, I'm going with a unit...Can you guess what it is yet...
442s.
kettlefan
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humph, saw a few of them parked up today along with a load of 58s at Eastleigh. They looked very sorry for themselves.
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So, Julian, Pacers, Sprinters, Desiros, Electrostars, etc, are all better than 442s?
devon_metro
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We're talking about the one who has mental bashes remember
Has to be Pacers for me and the reason I have quoted Gizmogle is because I used to find them fun in the early days until I had to use them daily. Thats when the back problems start and the fillings fall out. Not quite fun any more.
I hope you're not trying to suggest the original Mk4s were better? I do quite miss those worn out, uncomfortable old grey seats though :roll:
MONSTROUS, MENTAL HELLFIRE bashes, actually...We're talking about the one who has mental bashes remember
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You aren't perchance the owner of that site you secretively linked to?
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