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This is a scam, right?

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londonbridge

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@londonbridge. Does your leccy supplier not have your mobile number? May have notified UK Power Networks.
Well yes they do, but I would have thought all suppliers would have a contact number for each customer on their account details, I’m not sure if there’s a procedure in place whereby suppliers are meant to notify UK Power who then notify the customer, but as I said a work colleague lost his power but didn’t get a text. Don’t know who his supplier is obviously.
 
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Given that scammers could literally be anywhere in the world, I'm not sure what the UK government could do about it save impose some kind of China-like restrictions on UK users only being allowed to see other UK users, and that ain't going to happen. And currently there are an estimated 3.5 billion registered FB accounts, with about 2.9 billion active globally, so weeding out fake / scam / phising accounts is not going to be easy. We can report them as we see them, but keep in mind its highly likely that the scammers are reporting legitimate accounts to slow checking down, so responses may take a lot of time. I know they do take them down as I've reported some myself which eventually get dealt with, but again its just possible that for every one dodgy account that goes down two more go up.

These scammers aren't kids sitting in basements, they are often entire companies with hundreds of employees operating out of countries around the globe. Many may even be "friendly" to local authorities, meaning that even if international pressure is applied on the home governments little to nothing will be done. So it is up to those of us aware of what to look for to ensure that we help protect those that don't, even if its just an offer to family and friends to shout out if they are not sure about a "too good to be true" offer they stumble across.

There are a lot of scammers on the Internet now. It's hard to find them, you block one, two appear. A person who catches such people told me a lot. Now I am very vigilant. I do not pick up the phone from an unknown number, do not answer strange SMS, always check resources. Recently a friend wrote to me and offered to get a casino bonus on https://gamblizard.com/ and what do you think? I immediately called him and asked "did he write me this SMS"?! It turned out that he really wrote, it may seem like paranoia, but these are just precautions.
You've definitely noticed, they don't act alone anymore. You have to be careful!
 
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You'd have to be pretty naïve to be taken-in by such a blatant scam!
This particular one, yes. But scammers don't only go after the trusting or unintelligent. Oftentimes quite smart people get pulled in, largely because of overconfidence in their intelligence.

I don't think I'm blowing my own trumpet to say that I'm above the median where smarts are concerned (Honours degree in Computer Science and Physics, taught first-year computer science courses in my university, work as a trainer in an software solutions company, etc.) yet I've fallen victim to a bait and switch (shown one camera in a shop in Miami, opened the bag when I got outside and it was an inferior one) and also got caught out by the 'auction scam' (where they auction off some decent-looking items at reasonable prices to get the crowd going, and then flog a load of tat).

At the end of the day, scammers go after the targets that they have the skill level to con.
 

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Unfortunately there are a lot of ‘naive’ people: cupidity and stupidity seem to go together.

I have had the same 'GWR offer' on Facebook again, reported it again, to no (apparent) avail again as it did not 'breach Facebook's standards'. Would people not think that if such an offer really was available, it would be advertised and promoted far more widely than just on Facebook?

Personally I would not, ever, buy anything via Facebook, having read stories such as this;


A mum says she was scammed out of hundreds of pounds when booking a caravan holiday through Facebook.

And a quick search on the BBC News website for 'Facebook scam' reveals plenty more, unfortunately.
 

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This is why (and I will say I do work for a caravan site) that the potential extra cost of booking directly with a holiday park or hotel is well worth it when things go wrong, we are not just letting out one caravan for starters so usually have backup vans available if an issue means the one you booked/were allocated becomes unusable for your stay (a leak for instance).

I suppose one issue now is scam prices used to be "too good to be true" when now they can just look like a "good deal" so it being a scam is not always immediately obvious.
 

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They're at it again: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61565987303408

You'd have to be pretty naive to be taken-in by such a blatant scam!
Well I’ve just reported it as scam or fraud, doubt they’ll remove it though. I’ve reported a fake profile claiming to be one of the music artists I follow four times and they just won’t take any notice.

The problem with Facebooks reporting system is it asks for the reason you’re reporting the content but then doesn’t allow to you to add comments or further information as to what, specifically, is wrong with it. All they see is a page apparently offering travel tickets which, to them, looks like a legitimate business.
 

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Probably some automated or AI system looking at complaints anyway, similar to the railway where a delay repay claim that’s anything other than straightforward gets automatically rejected and needs appealing before a human will look at it. It may also be based on number of complaints received before they will have a more in-depth look.
 

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If anyone is really taken-in by an offer of a £2 card enabling unlimited free rail travel, there's got to be something sub-optimal about their intellect. Even with my BR travel facilities, earned after a loyal railway career, I only get 16 boxes per year.
 

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If anyone is really taken-in by an offer of a £2 card enabling unlimited free rail travel, there's got to be something sub-optimal about their intellect
That's why scams often are "too good to be true". Scammers don't want to waste their time with people who will back out at the last minute, they want to concentrate on the really vulnerable.
 

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I don't think I'm blowing my own trumpet to say that I'm above the median where smarts are concerned (Honours degree in Computer Science and Physics, taught first-year computer science courses in my university, work as a trainer in an software solutions company, etc.) yet I've fallen victim to a bait and switch (shown one camera in a shop in Miami, opened the bag when I got outside and it was an inferior one) and also got caught out by the 'auction scam' (where they auction off some decent-looking items at reasonable prices to get the crowd going, and then flog a load of tat).
That is not 'bait and switch'. Bait and switch is when a good value advertised item is 'out of stock' and the buyer is persuaded to buy a more expensive alternative. They get what they paid for, but not the good deal advertised.
 

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Meta, which owns Facebook, has been approached for comment, but a spokesperson previously said it does not allow "fraudulent activity" and that it investigates "accounts brought to our attention".
Two lies in one sentence...
 

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That is not 'bait and switch'. Bait and switch is when a good value advertised item is 'out of stock' and the buyer is persuaded to buy a more expensive alternative. They get what they paid for, but not the good deal advertised.
It was actually a bait and switch - what I didn't add to the story is that when I went back into the shop to complain, they said it was a "mistake", but they didn't actually have any of the original ones in stock (just the display item) and offered me a different one instead because their system "wouldn't allow an immediate refund, and I'd have to come back the next day when the manager was in". Which I wasn't prepared to do both because I knew that they would feign ignorance of the whole situation, and because we were leaving Miami that night.

They originally showed me a Sony digital camera, but I ended up with a Nikon APS film camera.
 

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Not surprisingly Facebook have rejected my latest complaint and won’t remove the profile. Can’t GWR put some pressure on them to do something?
 

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Just had about 20 emails telling me that my McAfee anti-virus software is about to expire, and inviting me to click a link.

Now I don't use McAfee- but a warning for anyone who does use AcAfee - beware of clicking any links claiming to come from them......
 

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Received the £3 travel card scam today and I have to say its very convincing. Initially I thought its only £3 so should I take a chance but then noticed there was a clock counting down encouraging the gullible to hurry up or lose the prize. As always I did a quick google and found the scam warnings so didnt bother. Maybe the "its only £3" encourages people to chance it but even if 1 in a 1000 of UK facebook members (44million apparently) are taken in then thats a nice little earner for the scam guys
 

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They could, if they really wanted to, at the very least for paid advertisements (could they be legally liable for those?). Would impact their margins of course.


They don't even do this. Every time you report a scam they come back with "doesn't break our rules".
So make FB and other websites (and more importantly the individuals behind them) legally responsible for everything on their website. If their response is to shut everything down, we managed for centuries without them.
 

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So make FB and other websites (and more importantly the individuals behind them) legally responsible for everything on their website.
Never going to happen, and there's no legal basis for it to happen. Were newspapers ever legally responsible for the adverts placed in them? Have TV or radio stations ever been held legally responsible for the adverts they carry?
 

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Never going to happen, and there's no legal basis for it to happen. Were newspapers ever legally responsible for the adverts placed in them? Have TV or radio stations ever been held legally responsible for the adverts they carry?
But if the law was changed there would be a legal basis for it to happen. Make it so that if it's reported as a scam, then they say it's not a scam and leave it in place, but it actually is a scam, *then* they are responsible for all losses from the point it was reported.
 

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Never going to happen, and there's no legal basis for it to happen. Were newspapers ever legally responsible for the adverts placed in them? Have TV or radio stations ever been held legally responsible for the adverts they carry?
This publisher's terms clearly recognise that it may be liable if it doesn‘t cover its back properly:
https://corporate.nationalworld.com/advertising-terms-conditions
[National World's terms and conditions for advertisers]
 

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There are also ads on FB promoting a six-month Lothian Buses/Edinburgh Trams pass for the cost of a single fare on the bus/tram. Allegedly available to the first 500 people to respond. Every time I report these (in the past it's been an annual pass for some ridiculously low price) I get the response saying it didn't breach FB standards.

This seems absolutely ridiculous considering what does apparently violate standards on FB and other social media sites. I have heard of people being banned from various sites for referencing "tits" when talking about birdwatching, mentioning the town of "Scunthorpe" (because of the second, third, fourth and fifth letters) and for mentioning people with the surnames Dickson and Cockburn.
 

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I have heard of people being banned from various sites for referencing "tits" when talking about birdwatching, mentioning the town of "Scunthorpe" (because of the second, third, fourth and fifth letters) and for mentioning people with the surnames Dickson and Cockburn.
Almost exclusively by automated systems.
 
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