Three bridges ROC

[Metobusfan]

Where will they take over the signalling... like Eastbourne psb

 

[Townsend Hook]

Victoria, Three Bridges, Arundel, Lancing, Barnham, Bognor, Chichester, Dorking, Lewes, Newhaven Town, Newhaven Harbour, probably a few others to boot.
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All as when funds permit, of course.

 

[Bald Rick]

Where will they take over the signalling... like Eastbourne psb

Err, last year for Eastbourne.

Ultimately it will be the whole of the Sussex route, all of Kent, and then up the MML to Bedford. But that will all take another 20 years at least.

 

[swt_passenger]

Err, last year for Eastbourne.

Ultimately it will be the whole of the Sussex route, all of Kent, and then up the MML to Bedford. But that will all take another 20 years at least.

Is that the end of Ashford and/or Gillingham then? They never seemed certain what the plan for Kent was, is this partly because the two NR route areas have been combined?

 

[DerekC]

Err, last year for Eastbourne.

Ultimately it will be the whole of the Sussex route, all of Kent, and then up the MML to Bedford. But that will all take another 20 years at least.

Thought there was another ROC at Ashford - or have they changed the plans again?

 

[Bald Rick]

Is that the end of Ashford and/or Gillingham then? They never seemed certain what the plan for Kent was, is this partly because the two NR route areas have been combined?

It has always been the very long term plan, measured in units of decades. TBROC is certainly sized for it. However nothing is certain except death, taxes and the campaign to reopen lines that Beeching may or may not have closed. Expect multiple changes to the plan over the coming years.

 

[nom de guerre]

Thought there was another ROC at Ashford - or have they changed the plans again?

An early list quoted 14 ROCs (including Ashford), but this was subsequently amended to 12 (not including Ashford).
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It has always been the very long term plan, measured in units of decades. TBROC is certainly sized for it. However nothing is certain except death, taxes and the campaign to reopen lines that Beeching may or may not have closed. Expect multiple changes to the plan over the coming years.

Is TBROC sized for it?

Kent will likely total 15-17 workstations once the various outposts are resignalled.

 

[snowball]

I thought Gillingham was one of the 12 and would control Kent?

Without Gillingham how do you get 12?

Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, York, Manchester, Derby, Rugby, Romford, Didcot, Basingstoke, Three Bridges and where?

 

[nom de guerre]

I thought Gillingham was one of the 12 and would control Kent?

It is, and it will (well, part of it anyway).

The issue is capacity: Gillingham is a reused 1990s-vintage building rather than a new build ROC, and therefore has a much smaller operating floor (as well as lacking, at least currently, other facilities standard to new build ROCs, eg gym, multi-faith prayer room, laundry room, a decently-sized kitchen ...!).

There is no way all of Ashford's workstations could be accommodated, so barring substantial expansion, Gillingham will only ever control part of Kent.

 

[Sunset route]

I thought Gillingham was one of the 12 and would control Kent?

Without Gillingham how do you get 12?

Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, York, Manchester, Derby, Rugby, Romford, Didcot, Basingstoke, Three Bridges and where?

Gillingham is one of the twelve ROCs in the slimmed down ROC plan from the original 14 with Ashford IECC and Saltley WMCC being the ones that got dropped.

 

[Metobusfan]

Victoria, Three Bridges, Arundel, Lancing, Barnham, Bognor, Chichester, Dorking, Lewes, Newhaven Town, Newhaven Harbour, probably a few others to boot.
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What about London bridge (the eastern side)

 

[Islineclear3_1]

What about London bridge (the eastern side)

Hasn't the Central side gone over to the new Three Bridges ROC (TL prefixes) and through the Thameslink Core?

 

[Metobusfan]

Hasn't the Central side gone over to the new Three Bridges ROC (TL prefixes) and through the Thameslink Core?

Central has and Thameslink core has. I wondering if the eastern side has gone over or nor

 

[Sunset route]

Central has and Thameslink core has. I wondering if the eastern side has gone over or nor

From Charing Cross to just country side of London Bridge was transferred over at Christmas which I believe is panel 1 complete and a small section of panel 3. So yes parts of the eastern side have started to migrate to TBROC.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

I can't wait to see what happens when someone burns the toast or grub in the kitchen and the place is evacuated due to the sounding of the fire alarms!

 

[Bald Rick]

I can't wait to see what happens when someone burns the toast or grub in the kitchen and the place is evacuated due to the sounding of the fire alarms!

The zoned fire alarm will note there is smoke in the kitchen, and be dealt with accordingly.

How many full, unplanned evacuations of ROCs have taken place since the first one opened?

 

[siggychap]

I can't wait to see what happens when someone burns the toast or grub in the kitchen and the place is evacuated due to the sounding of the fire alarms!

About the same as would happen if the existing London Bridge or Three Bridges boxes were evacuated now I expect.

 

[Paul180]

I can't wait to see what happens when someone burns the toast or grub in the kitchen and the place is evacuated due to the sounding of the fire alarms!

I hope they would put in heat detectors in the kitchen areas like most normal places do but been a box it might be different regulations but failing that just put every one there on an raw food diet

 

[carriageline]

Same old rubbish being spouted!!

The fire alarm system will know something is happening in the kitchen, and act accordingly.

The ops floor has a 2 stage evacuation alarm. The first stage tells us we have half an hour (I think?) of fire protection, after that it's all out.

The stage 2 is immediate evacuation.

TBROC currently controls the old London Bridge panels 1/part of 3 (Charing X and part London Bridge). Vic panel 8 and West Hampstead panel 1 (thameslink core), as well as London Bridge central down to forest hill.

Outside of Thameslink there is also the East Sussex MCS which is between Glynde and Eastbourne, and Eastbourne to Bexhill.

Gillingham ROC will have 4 workstations in it after Easter this year, and that will be it for a long time. Medway Valley has been indefinitely scrapped, and I can't see Ashford moving anytime soon.

TBROC has Streatham coming this year, and Cannon Street in August. Lewes is 2017/2018, and that's it. West Sussex coast has also been scrapped (so I hear). I believe work has also started for central side of Vic ASC.
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Victoria, Three Bridges, Arundel, Lancing, Barnham, Bognor, Chichester, Dorking, Lewes, Newhaven Town, Newhaven Harbour, probably a few others to boot.
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All as when funds permit, of course.

Majority of them boxes will be staying now
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Is TBROC sized for it?



Kent will likely total 15-17 workstations once the various outposts are resignalled.

Debatable really. Depends how much they truly plan on coming up here. There's certainly room for London Bridge ASC, VIC central, possibly Eastern and the Sussex outer boxes. Unless they put workstations in on the control floor, then Three bridges ASC may be a squeeze.

The bigger problem won't be floor space, but car park and kitchen space!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Majority of them boxes will be staying now

And Littlehampton?

 

[carriageline]

And Littlehampton?

Don't take it for gospel, but will probably be staying too. I understand most of the 'outer' boxes have been canned.

 

[Class377/5]

The zoned fire alarm will note there is smoke in the kitchen, and be dealt with accordingly.

How many full, unplanned evacuations of ROCs have taken place since the first one opened?

In fact TBD ROC has continued to work while Three Bridges Signal Box has been closed due to power failures more than once.

Personal experience it works fine, even cutting the power off onky affect it for a second and doesn't even upset PCs.

Several years in the ROC has shown me it works.

 

[collexions]

I have the full rollout plan for Thameslink (LB ASC) recontrol stages to TBROC including Traffic Management, will post soon.

 

[Sunset route]

In fact TBD ROC has continued to work while Three Bridges Signal Box has been closed due to power failures more than once.

Personal experience it works fine, even cutting the power off onky affect it for a second and doesn't even upset PCs.

Several years in the ROC has shown me it works.

I certainly don't remember having power failures recently at the ASC since the ROC opened, although we did have one not long after the Arun Valley was commissioned which upset the smartlock computers for a while.
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TBROC currently controls the old London Bridge panels 1/part of 3 (Charing X and part London Bridge). Vic panel 8 and West Hampstead panel 1 (thameslink core), as well as London Bridge central down to forest hill.

It's the old Victoria panel (workstation) 6 not 8 that's in the ROC.

 

[carriageline]

I certainly don't remember having power failures recently at the ASC since the ROC opened, although we did have one not long after the Arun Valley was commissioned which upset the smartlock computers for a while.
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It's the old Victoria panel (workstation) 6 not 8 that's in the ROC.

Thanks, don't quite know why I said 8! Cheers

 

[Class377/5]

I certainly don't remember having power failures recently at the ASC since the ROC opened, although we did have one not long after the Arun Valley was commissioned which upset the smartlock computers for a while.

There where two local power failures which caused issues at the TBD box that I was duty for. One was evening peak and another at start of service on a weekday morning.

I'm pretty sure one happened before the signallers came but both times the ROC was unaffected.

 

[Sunset route]

There where two local power failures which caused issues at the TBD box that I was duty for. One was evening peak and another at start of service on a weekday morning.

I'm pretty sure one happened before the signallers came but both times the ROC was unaffected.

It's strange that I don't rember them so I wasn't on duty for either, nor do I remember any of my colleagues talking about any. But I was on duty when we lost the smartlock on panels 4 and 7 when there was a power cut and the UPS wouldn't kick in due to a wiring fault and that really upset the signalling computers that wouldn't reset for ages after the power was restored but as said that was before any of the workstations went live in the ROC.

 

[John Webb]

Err, last year for Eastbourne.

Ultimately it will be the whole of the Sussex route, all of Kent, and then up the MML to Bedford. But that will all take another 20 years at least.

Last comment we had from a visitor to St Albans South box late last year was that they are considering having the border between Three Bridges and East Midlands ROCs just North of Luton.......

 

[Bald Rick]

Last comment we had from a visitor to St Albans South box late last year was that they are considering having the border between Three Bridges and East Midlands ROCs just North of Luton.......

Originally it was going to be north of Bedford. Then after much hand wringing, a decision was taken make the boundary just north of Sandridge. This is wrong for all sorts of reasons, and will be a chapter in my book.

Now, I gather, there are investigations into north of Bedford again, which is where it should be.

(As an aside, when I was in St Albans South box last year, I said Sandridge )

 

[Class377/5]

Originally it was going to be north of Bedford. Then after much hand wringing, a decision was taken make the boundary just north of Sandridge. This is wrong for all sorts of reasons, and will be a chapter in my book.

Now, I gather, there are investigations into north of Bedford again, which is where it should be.

(As an aside, when I was in St Albans South box last year, I said Sandridge )

Indeed Bedford is on the menu, although I've been told once Cricklewood is Sussex already
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It's strange that I don't rember them so I wasn't on duty for either, nor do I remember any of my colleagues talking about any. But I was on duty when we lost the smartlock on panels 4 and 7 when there was a power cut and the UPS wouldn't kick in due to a wiring fault and that really upset the signalling computers that wouldn't reset for ages after the power was restored but as said that was before any of the workstations went live in the ROC.

Remind me where panels 4/7 are? Been awhie since I was told.