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Tony Blair. Should he have been knighted?

Should Tony Blair have been knighted?

  • Yes

    Votes: 47 42.3%
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  • Unsure/undecided

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Tony Blair being knighted is worth every penny for the enormous social media meltdown from the hard left and hard right last night. :lol:
And whatever people think of him, he's the only Labour leader to have won an election in the last 45 years.
 

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Good, Blair should get a knighthood if we are going to have these kinds of awards and the criteria used.

Strongly agreed

If I were designing a country from scratch I wouldn't design it the way that the UK is (nobody would!), but given that we have a Monarch and House Of Lords and various Honours then it makes perfect sense to recognise the contribution made by a guy who was leader for ten years

In fact I'd go one further and say that, if you accept that we are going to have an unelected second chamber then anyone who's served as Prime Minister should be automatically entitled to House Of Lords membership once they step down as an MP - if the idea is that the HoL is to be a place where experienced and knowledgeable people are able to debate laws then why wouldn't you want people who've had the experience of running the country? Blair (and Major, Brown, Cameron etc) ought to have a seat on the red benches reserved for him - much better to have their perspective on Government than having former PMs travelling the world making money from doing speeches whilst the second chamber is filled with people from the Upper Classes who've never won any public vote in their life

As ever though, it's a case of "argue about a couple of high profile celebrities who've got awards in the Honours List then wait a fortnight for Private Eye to come out and find out about the dozens of shady businesspeople who've donated large sums to political parties to secure their gong, and realise that such people vastly outnumber the handful of worthy people picked to give the Honours a veneer of respectability"

Tony Blair being knighted is worth every penny for the enormous social media meltdown from the hard left and hard right last night. :lol:

It as beautiful to watch - all the people who were celebrating Corbyn winning a Times radio poll for "Best PM We Never Had" were outraged that a guy who won three elections for Labour was being recognised - love to see a meltdown like that - well played Ma'am
 

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And whatever people think of him, he's the only Labour leader to have won an election in the last 45 years.
The most successful Labour PM ever in terms of election-winning abilities.

I can see why people are finding Blair's controversial, due to the Iraq War but he did bring peace to our own country which nobody else had managed to do since 1916.

It's no more controversial than Thatcher in reality.
 

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It may be that Blair has given the Queen private advice and support over the years and she seeks to recognise that, particularly as she will be aware that the award would be somewhat controversial and knowing that her decisions are less likely to be questioned than a successor.

If I remember rightly, Blair and the Queen did get on well to begin with, but then they drifted apart in later years, especially over the issue of Iraq, but not only.

Still, it's clearly more of a tradition than anything else.

The most successful Labour PM ever in terms of election-winning abilities.

It did come at a cost, though. Scottish Labour have never been the same since 2007 (indeed, Blair's final election resulted in Scottish Labour losing!), and it's clear that the rise of the SNP could never have happened without Blair's unpopularity north of the border.

Still, I remember the 1997 election well as a 12 year old. We had a mock election in school, and the Tories were soundly crushed. I remember even my friend's dad (who was a rotten snob) saying that the Tories were unelectable and that he was going with Blair.
 

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If I remember rightly, Blair and the Queen did get on well to begin with, but then they drifted apart in later years, especially over the issue of Iraq, but not only.

Still, it's clearly more of a tradition than anything else.



It did come at a cost, though. Scottish Labour have never been the same since 2007 (indeed, Blair's final election resulted in Scottish Labour losing!), and it's clear that the rise of the SNP could never have happened without Blair's unpopularity north of the border.

Still, I remember the 1997 election well as a 12 year old. We had a mock election in school, and the Tories were soundly crushed. I remember even my friend's dad (who was a rotten snob) saying that the Tories were unelectable and that he was going with Blair.
English labour have never been the same either…

To win elections you need to appeal to more than just your own parties supporters- that’s the lesson that has been lost in the mire since.
 

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It may be convention for former pms to be honored in this way but would much prefer it if more ordinary folk received honours for exceptional service to communities.

As for Blair - can't agree with it. Yes may have been positives during his time in charge such as education, health and the GFA. But I'm afraid the crime of getting involved in the Iraq War is unforgivable in my view. It resulted in hundreds of thousands dead and similar numbers displaced. Out of the chaos there emerged, probably the most evil organisation the world has ever seen in IS, causing untold misery and making the world a more dangerous place. Not to mention the soldiers that died and the ignominious retreat of Basra in 2007.

What's makes it worse is that he still justifies it, and the "well, who could have known" argument from some doesn't cut it in my opinion. There were unprecedented amounts of people here and worldwide protesting and warning about what would be unleashed.
 
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In terms of best PM we never had, Dennis Healey would have to be up there.

John Smith as well maybe?

There is predictable social media outrage as a result of Tony Blair being knighted, but how many of these people crying outrage now voted for him (and Labour) in the 2005 election? I think the answer is probably quite a lot.

The Iraq war and WMD scandal happened long before 2005, so the same people shouting about Blair now who voted for him in his last election can't say they unaware at that point.
 

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Agree that I don't have a particular problem with Blair. No PM is perfect but he's no worse, and probably better, than a lot of the characters who get knighted.

And compared to the godawful parade of people who have been PM since 2010....
 

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My comment was more a tongue in cheek comment about how close Tony Blair was to Tories than "traditional" Labour.
As many of the auditory and visual cues we would normally rely on are not visible in written text, I recommend the use of the ";)" emoticon/smiley for such posts, to avoid confusion :)
 

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John Smith as well maybe?

Yes, he seemed like a capable leader. Would he have got labour over the line, without having quite the panache of Tony Blair is an interesting one to ponder.

To be politically even, I'm inclined to think that William Hague might have made a good P.M. but led the party at the wrong time.
 

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I'm very much not a fan of Blair - I'd cross the road if I saw him in the street. I'm one of those incomprehensible, utterly delusional, left-wing cranks who thinks he sold the soul of the Labour party
And I'll retort that he's the only Labour leader who has made them electable in the last 45 years. It rather depends what you want from Labour: getting in to Government and having a chance to change things, or standing in the wilderness ranting and raving about left-wing policies that the majority of the population don't want.
 

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Yes, he seemed like a capable leader. Would he have got labour over the line, without having quite the panache of Tony Blair is an interesting one to ponder.
I reckon the answer would be 'yes but with a much smaller majority'. When Smith died they were polling in the high 40%s while the Tories were in the high 20%s. Major was at war with the b@stards over Europe, it was the time of sleaze mark 1, Cash of Questions, Aitken and the collapsed libel case; Black Wednesday had also damaged confidence in the Tories as a safe pair of hands. Major didn't have the personality to overcome all those setbacks. A smaller majority would have done Labour good because it would have kept potential dissidents focussed. Smith would have been less likely to veer towards some of Blair's 'middle way' thinking. As Home Secretary, Blair would have been able to implement much of the reforming legislation the '97 government put into place. What would happened post Smith - no idea.

To be politically even, I'm inclined to think that William Hague might have made a good P.M. but led the party at the wrong time.
I think you are right. Howard (or someone similar) was right for '97, someone with experience, who commands (some) respect, get the party back on the straight and narrow. Step down for Hague, who would have got more respect in the country after a few years in a senior shadow post. Miss out the Quiet Man.
 

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Tony Blair getting a knighthood under a Tory PM shows that Tories only look after their own!!!
The award given to Blair is within the gift of the queen not the government
I'm very much not a fan of Blair - I'd cross the road if I saw him in the street. I'm one of those incomprehensible, utterly delusional, left-wing cranks who thinks he sold the soul of the Labour party, so I doubt my views amount to the proverbial hill of beans among the regular contributors'.
I wonder if you were around to vote at the time. Perhaps you missed all of the good work the Blair governments delivered in making life better for real people after years of Tory damage.

Lets be honest: The real cranks are the SWP/Corbyn fanboys who delivered nothing but total and utter failure and embarrassment. Blair knew that winning and gaining power was more important that ideological purity and that only by winning could you help people. Corbyn and his fans prefer permanent opposition because that means they never have to surrender purity or make a compromise.

Those 3 Blair election victories REALLY burn don't they.
 

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In opposition he said he would renationalise the railways,instead he carried on with Tory policy. So no,I wouldn’t knight him.
 

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We don't know how much input and support behind the scenes Blair gave the Royals at the time of Diana's death.
I think we know it was the exact opposite with Blair playing the populist ''people's princess'' card. It could well be that Prince Philip, known for his dogmatic views on certain matters, was instrumental in Blair having to wait until after his death. John Major's eight year wait for the honour was probably caused by the ripples on the reports of his affair with Edwina Currie to die down: he was mercifully quiet on the subject, no doubt to the distress of the publicity-seeking Currie.
 

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Ah dear. I particularly love the outrage from Corbynites that still don't realise what an electoral success Corbyn was*.

*for the Tories.
 

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I reckon the answer would be 'yes but with a much smaller majority'. When Smith died they were polling in the high 40%s while the Tories were in the high 20%s. Major was at war with the b@stards over Europe, it was the time of sleaze mark 1, Cash of Questions, Aitken and the collapsed libel case; Black Wednesday had also damaged confidence in the Tories as a safe pair of hands. Major didn't have the personality to overcome all those setbacks. A smaller majority would have done Labour good because it would have kept potential dissidents focussed. Smith would have been less likely to veer towards some of Blair's 'middle way' thinking. As Home Secretary, Blair would have been able to implement much of the reforming legislation the '97 government put into place. What would happened post Smith - no idea.

I think you are right. Howard (or someone similar) was right for '97, someone with experience, who commands (some) respect, get the party back on the straight and narrow. Step down for Hague, who would have got more respect in the country after a few years in a senior shadow post. Miss out the Quiet Man.

I think you're right about Smith, although given labour's surprise defeat in 1992, I'm wary of assuming that Smith would definitely have got it !
 

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Most "knights" fail to live up to the noble tradition of the word, today, with a few exceptions, it is dominated by business men, politicians, judges, arms dealers, and other overly wealthy individuals. The title "sir" in it's current form deserves no more respect than mister or doctor.
The Royal Family have been given out more knighthoods in my short life than ever before, and a lot of it is just down to money. Making Tony a sir won't benefit any members of the general public.
 

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All PM's get a knighthood of some sort.

How long they have to wait seems to depend on how much they've annoyed HM.
 

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Making Tony a sir won't benefit any members of the general public.
True, the obsequiousness by some to this war monger, I find quite baffling. Not taken in by his sharp talk one bit - a conniving, machiavellian character who should be locked up.
 

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All PM's get a knighthood of some sort.

How long they have to wait seems to depend on how much they've annoyed HM.
Even the ones who can't win an election get a knighthood quite often, like Sir Quiet Man, who's never piped down since he was 'awarded' one, trumpeting how successful Brexit has been. :rolleyes:
 

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Even the ones who can't win an election get a knighthood quite often, like Sir Quiet Man, who's never piped down since he was 'awarded' one, trumpeting how successful Brexit has been. :rolleyes:

He never made it to P.M. anyway, so I suspect that his appointment was more party oriented !
 

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He never made it to P.M. anyway, so I suspect that his appointment was more party oriented !
Oh, yes, realise that, but you get rewarded however useless you are, so long as a political party kids itself that you've got what it takes to win power. Win-win for said politician. Utterly shameless.
 

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I think you're right about Smith, although given labour's surprise defeat in 1992, I'm wary of assuming that Smith would definitely have got it !
It is one of the great unknowns, i suspect the Tories in the mid-90s were in such a bad state as long as Labour had a leader who was even vaguely competent they'd have won. Smith would probably have won though not as big a majority as Sir Tonty Blair.
 

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I think you're right about Smith, although given labour's surprise defeat in 1992, I'm wary of assuming that Smith would definitely have got it !

I'm not so sure (I thought I'd replied already, but doesn't look like the message was moved). The Tories were very, very unpopular between 1992 and 1997. I suspect it would still have been a substantial majority in 1997 under Smith, maybe not quite as big as under Blair, perhaps comparable to or a little greater than 2005.
 
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