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TOPS Requests (including headcodes, allocations, traction, etc) [Instructions in Post 2]

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mahunda

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Hi can anyone advise what the gbrf 66 was on the
4M12 0530 Drax Aes (Gbrf) to Liverpool Biomass Tml Gbf today 4/11.

Thanks in advance
 
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Can I ask where as many of these as possible are tomorrow please? Got one Family and Friends voucher left and want to get as many of my required units as possible with it!

142026
142068
142088
142090

144009

153301
153331
153363
Any of these please?
 

mahunda

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Can someone give me the id of the 333 on the 2P30 0910 Leeds to Bradford Forster Square please today 4/11
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So how do you use this service to find whats working on a service?
There's various systems Network Rail and the TOCs/FOCs use to manage/track trains - TRUST (Train Running Under System TOPS), Genius (used for passenger workings primarily) etc.

Some of this data is 'open access' and feeds can be obtained from NR and used by the public, provided it's not sold on. Various clever computer folk then use this data in websites like the one @chrisncal54 linked to, the Data section on Railcam, Open Train Times etc etc. The boffins (usually enthusiasts with far better IT skills than me!) set up code to cleanse it from the raw data that comes out of the system and translate it into something useable for everyday folk like me. It's just then a case of going on to these sites and searching for the various info using various search criteria depending on what you've got to go on (e.g. loco ID, location, headcode, scrambled headcode).

RTT uses the same data feeds - although it uses it specifically for the train running times and overall operating info, rather than providing loco IDs.

The information as to the actual locos on a given working can be a bit sporadic, as relies on various info being put into TOPS 'correctly' by both humans and other systems, and sometimes this is wrong, or not put in. "Downloads" from TOPS to some of these public access websites are done periodically and not "live" - so sometimes you'll "miss" a working if it was operating between downloads, but can sometimes work out what the loco is by where it was and where it's ended up. Some sites like Railcam also have the option for users to supplement the info by inputting locos they've seen etc. - this obviously has some risk of inaccuracies, but generally folk are pretty good at only putting in things they're sure about (to be honest it's no less inaccurate than TOPS!) and this helps the level of info available.

Info on passenger workings (EMUs/DMUs/Chiltern/Scotrail 68s/Virgin Thunderbirds etc.) tend to be entirely on Genius and other systems that only those in the industry have access to, so unless someone's seen the train in question and can confirm with Mk1 eyeball, for things like this you're often relying on good folk from in the industry who have access to the 'magic box' and can check these for us. Likewise, folk in the industry are also likely to have access to "live" TOPS so can see where things are at any given time, plus full consists of trains (wagon numbers/actual trailing loads/changes en route etc.) which aren't usually available on the periodic downloads on "free to public" sites.

Happy for folk to add to/correct to the above as it's just my (broad) understanding of how things work, but hopefully helps a bit in terms of understand how to find info/where it comes from.
 
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Good morning everyone. Can anyone please advise on the unscrambled headcodes for the two workings listed below. First one is the laden working from Daventry to Grangemouth and the second is the subsequent light engine movement to Mossend Down Yard.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H14317/2017/11/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R74563/2017/11/04/advanced

The loco up front for anyone interested was 66077 "Benjamin Gimbert GC". Pics at the usual link below.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149563882@N07/?

Many thanks
S
 

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Good morning everyone. Can anyone please advise on the unscrambled headcodes for the two workings listed below. First one is the laden working from Daventry to Grangemouth and the second is the subsequent light engine movement to Mossend Down Yard.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H14317/2017/11/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R74563/2017/11/04/advanced

The loco up front for anyone interested was 66077 "Benjamin Gimbert GC". Pics at the usual link below.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149563882@N07/?

Many thanks
S
I've added the first one as a comment in your photos (4S49) as I now know you've seen :D ...the second one (the light loco move) was an STP and I don't have a real headcode for that. Others might though...?
 

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So if i join that site what do i look at or what info from RTT do i put in to find what number the loco is on that service?

Here's an example showing that the Shrewsbury circular RHTT 3S71 is 56096 with 56113. And that 56105 is at Lostock Hall Junction - in fact it's been there since it failed on 6J37 on Thursday!

56096 COFS SHREWCLSS 643S71C703 D * SHREWCLSS N
56105 COFS LOSTOKHJN LOSTOKHJN 8 N
56113 COFS SHREWCLSS 643S71C703 D * SHREWCLSS N
 

mahunda

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Can anyone please id the gbrf 66 on the following working today 4/11
4Z81 1145 Masborough N&W Gbrf to Parkeston Ss Gbrf
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Here's an example showing that the Shrewsbury circular RHTT 3S71 is 56096 with 56113. And that 56105 is at Lostock Hall Junction - in fact it's been there since it failed on 6J37 on Thursday!

56096 COFS SHREWCLSS 643S71C703 D * SHREWCLSS N
56105 COFS LOSTOKHJN LOSTOKHJN 8 N
56113 COFS SHREWCLSS 643S71C703 D * SHREWCLSS N
so where do you go to find that out and what info do you use to get the info
 

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Hello, does anyone know what worked the following today (Saturday 04/11/17):
1M21 0426 Glasgow Central to London Euston
1M07 0630 Glasgow Central to London Euston
1M08 0737 Glasgow Central to London Euston
1M09 0840 Glasgow Central to London Euston
1M12 1140 Glasgow Central to London Euston
1M13 1240 Glasgow Central to London Euston

Thanks! Much Appreciated!
 

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If this runs tomorrow any idea what would be on it as seems a weird one...

1228 London Victoria to London Victoria.
 

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If this runs tomorrow any idea what would be on it as seems a weird one...

1228 London Victoria to London Victoria.
It's a path for the Belmond British Pullman Luncheon special - quite often steam hauled. Does a circuit via Guildford whilst guests have their lunch.

As @Far north 37 says, though, whether it runs on a cold November Monday is a different question...
 

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Bit of a long shot but does anyone know which 185 worked the 08:06 Manchester Airport to Newcastle yesterday (Saturday 4th November).
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It's a path for the Belmond British Pullman Luncheon special - quite often steam hauled. Does a circuit via Guildford whilst guests have their lunch.

As @Far north 37 says, though, whether it runs on a cold November Monday is a different question...
You say steam but rtt states diesel locomotive
 
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