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Is it safe to say that Toton does not use its full capacity. Say an engineer comes and wants to get rid of half the sidings for a HS2 station?
Just using the spare sidings would allow connection to tram, and a service to run to derby etc from their as the lines connect really well.
 
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Is it safe to say that Toton does not use its full capacity. Say an engineer comes and wants to get rid of half the sidings for a HS2 station?
Just using the spare sidings would allow connection to tram, and a service to run to derby etc from their as the lines connect really well.

DBS mothballed the Old Bank & New Bank in 2009, but I suspect they may want to reinstate them if business picks up.

However there is a large area (East Yard) which has not been used for many years, and I'd have thought this could be used for a new HS2 station, and possibly a tram interchange. Providing enough space for a large car park may be an issue, but there is some agricultural land between the yard and the A52 which would be ideally located for this subject to planning etc.

The East yard would not need sidings ripping up; just saplings and trees :)
 

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Is it safe to say that Toton does not use its full capacity. Say an engineer comes and wants to get rid of half the sidings for a HS2 station?
Just using the spare sidings would allow connection to tram, and a service to run to derby etc from their as the lines connect really well.

In principle that’s a good idea but as close as the M1 is to Toton, buying up the land to build an access road would be very expensive and hugely disruptive.

In honesty (and bearing in mind that I was born in that neck of the woods), with an electrified MML and hopefully tilting trains I don't think there is really any justification in the East Midlands having an high speed line. I just don't believe that the numbers in terms of population justify it.

Apologies for going so wildly off topic!
 

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Toton seems the logical location to me, seems to be a lot of unused space, road access is good, would need a few chords for local rail connections, Tram would only need 1.5km of extension. Presumably the rusty locos :) could be stored elsewhere (Long Marston?) if space were tight. Also Network Rail are building a new depot in Derby to absorb some local depots, so maybe some of their stock might move to Derby? (ballast cleaners etc?)

In principle that’s a good idea but as close as the M1 is to Toton, buying up the land to build an access road would be very expensive and hugely disruptive.
In honesty (and bearing in mind that I was born in that neck of the woods), with an electrified MML and hopefully tilting trains I don't think there is really any justification in the East Midlands having an high speed line. I just don't believe that the numbers in terms of population justify it.

Apologies for going so wildly off topic!
The HS2 phase 2 documents state very clearly that there will be an East Midlands station. MML OHLE is all very well but the MML doesn't go to Heathrow or Birmingham International or Paris, so there are some significant journey time savings & hence market share to be gained here.

You wouldn't need an access road all the way to the M1- the A52 is dual carriageway & goes right over the top of Toton sidings. I think the section from Toton sidings to M1 could handle some extra traffic, might need some changes at the M1 junction. I suspect they might put in a link road along the site which would also connect with the A6005 in Long Eaton, though the 6005 corridor is quite congested.

The east yard area will cause some controversy, the landowner was already censured for felling the few acres of silver birch without permission, due to complaints from residents.

The greenbelt land between the sidings and the NET park & ride has a planning application for housing:
http://planning.broxtowe.gov.uk/(S(...))/ApplicationDetail.aspx?RefVal=12/00585/OUT
Which might rather mess up the logical tram route from the current planned park & ride terminus and the HS2 station, though the tram operator might prefer a slightly 'round the houses' route anyway.
However the planning app for houses, will be very controversial, and probably to to appeal & inspector, by which time HS2 Ph2 route will be published & station area protected ( I guess...).
 

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The greenbelt land between the sidings and the NET park & ride has a planning application for housing:
http://planning.broxtowe.gov.uk/(S(...))/ApplicationDetail.aspx?RefVal=12/00585/OUT
Which might rather mess up the logical tram route from the current planned park & ride terminus and the HS2 station, though the tram operator might prefer a slightly 'round the houses' route anyway.

Potential tram alignment illustrated in outline planning application.
http://planning.broxtowe.gov.uk/(S(...ublished/62FBE6030E0A11E2A3BA0023240C7298.pdf
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Link doesn't work. Could you retry for me please?


Everyone else thank you for your replies. I intend putting it here to link with the tram and also have an EMU service to Derby using the line if possible. The brief were given states we should try to create transport hubs. Hence my choice of location.

Go back to the original planning application reference given in the post prior to mine by Brian the Giant. On the menu of documents select the fourth documemt - Illustrative Master Plan. Hope this helps.
 

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There do seem to be issues with links on Broxtowe website, my guess is that they use dynamic links which are deleted after the session.

I think the headline page is this one:
http://planning.broxtowe.gov.uk/(S(...pplicationHistorySummary.aspx?RefVal=12/00585

Whilst I hate to promote Anna 'I obey the whip' Soubry
you can also navigate from www.annasoubry.org.uk/save-our-greenbelt

Anyway, it seems that the developers think the tram route ought to go down the hill in the direction of Toton sidings... extrapolate from that what you will.
It would need to bend north or south to get down the steep gradient to the sidings. The big question would be if it were extended whether it would then go on to Long Eaton or Stapleford town centres after the HS2 station or split & do both... (nothing more fun than initiating rumour and speculation...)
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NB Toton Up & Down yards are in the list of DB Schenker sites for which it is proposed to transfer ownership to Network Rail ( from whom DBS would then pay rent/access charges for buildings / sidings as appropriate.
See:
www.networkrail.co.uk/Freight/Aquisition-of-DBS-freight-sites-consultation/

The proposed increased flexibility in use of freight yards incl Toton, will I suppose be of benefit to the HS2 project, not just for permanent transfer of sections to passenger use as in this case, but also for access to freight yards during construction etc...
 
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