TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

[Spartacus]

That’ll never last. They’ll end up having to draw forward to allow wheelchairs on and off.

That would be an issue towards Scarborough as the train'll foul the foot crossing.

 

[DanNCL]

That would be an issue towards Scarborough as the train'll foul the foot crossing.

For all of about 3 minutes. It really isn’t the end of the world and would cost the railway a lot less than a lawsuit from an impacted wheelchair passenger would.
If the rule book doesn’t allow it and can’t be changed to allow it then the platform needs extending. It really isn’t acceptable that a nearly new train stopping at a station advertised as wheelchair accessible isn’t able to take wheelchair passengers to/from that station.

 

[3RDGEN]

That would be an issue towards Scarborough as the train'll foul the foot crossing.

The gates to the foot crossing are locked when the Scarborough services approach so it wouldn't matter, (if you want a westbound train at Seamer turn up in good time). The gates are spring loaded to ensure they close so a wheelchair user will struggle to access the platform on their own, better to go to Scarborough.

"https://mystationview.com/SEM". - Virtual tour of Seamer station which shows the issue.

 

[greyman42]

cramped vibratey 185 … not a chance

Vibratey? The ride on a Class 185 is superior to the rough riding Mk 5.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Vibratey? The ride on a Class 185 is superior to the rough riding Mk 5.

I must say I have also been rocked about far more by a MK5. It’s very uncomfortable for me.

 

[KevL]

ok folks whats out on the last day? anyone know?

 

[yorksrob]

I'm not fussed about ride.

I do tend to search out a window seat, and the 185's are definitely better in that respect.

That said, I'd far rather the mk5's were retained to provide capacity, perhaps with a re-shuffling of seats for a better window line up.

 

[htafc]

ok folks whats out on the last day? anyone know?

According to the Class 68s on the TPE routes Facebook group,

Saturday 9th December 2023

The final day of booked Class 68 & Mk5A Loco Hauled 'Nova 3' operation with TransPennine Express. Please note, due to operational restrictions, it is expected that all diagrams will run with Class 185 units.

So it's looking like nothing

 

[lrailadventure]

It is doable to pass the crossing slightly and alight the wheelchair user, because the crossing is locked until the train has departed completely. However, it will essentially depend on the motivation and willingness of the conductor, driver and signaller to cooperate and make it happen... Some people will do everything to try and make it happen, others I suspect will say "stay on the train to Scarborough and we'll taxi you back to Seamer".


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Currently 68024 and TP04 been diagrammed for a service..

1U23 0535 Manchester Piccadilly to Scarborough

1U36 0845 Scarborough to Manchester Piccadilly

1U47 1135 Manchester Piccadilly to Scarborough

68024 was the one that was apparently broken though, so take this allocation with a pinch of salt, it may change..

 

[sjpowermac]

09.12.2023
As of 06:00

68030/TP06
Diagram 603

Ex-Longsight

5U23 0511 Longsight-Manchester Piccadilly (0523)

1U23 0535 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough (0753)

1U36 0845 Scarborough-Manchester Piccadilly (1104)

1U47 1135 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough (1353)


Though I wonder if on the day it might also work in the afternoon?

Edited 0600
Diagram 604

1U72 1748 Scarborough-Leeds (1929) via Castleford

1U75 1934 Leeds-Scarborough(2053) via Micklefield

1U88 2148 Scarborough-York (2238)

1U87 2303 York-Scarborough (2353)

Stables Scarborough station

If anyone is out for it, enjoy

Monday 11.12.2023
Tuesday 12.12.2023
5Q32 1328 Scarborough-Longsight.

ROG operated (for reasons mentioned earlier in the thread).

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...2023-12-11/0000-2359?stp=S&show=all&order=wtt

 

[yorksrob]

Sat on one now - quite out of the blue

Helped that the train before was a wedged 3 carriage 185.

I think we're being spun a yarn that these trains aren't needed.

 

[KevL]

im on the 185 1048 to york. its rammed full. aim being getting the 1304 york scarbro.

 

[InkyScrolls]

1U47 at York, en route to Scarborough. 68030, my final TPE 68.

 

[Northern158170]

I was there to see that as well. I never got 68026 and 68027 unfortunately

 

[D6130]

I was there to see that as well. I never got 68026 and 68027 unfortunately

Hard luck! I managed to get 68 027 for the first time on Thursday evening on the 19 48 Scarborough as far as Dewsbury.

 

[KevL]

Hard luck! I managed to get 68 027 for the first time on Thursday evening on the 19 48 Scarborough as far as Dewsbury.

Yep. i got 30 back home from york today

thanks all

its just a crying shame they are going. The trains today were packed out too.

 

[InkyScrolls]

Yep. i got 30 back home from york today

thanks all

its just a crying shame they are going. The trains today were packed out too.

Packed in the right word - sardines would be accurate!

 

[KevL]

Packed in the right word - sardines would be accurate!

Wouldn't it be a shame if everyone complained that the trains are overcrowded now…

re sardines .. yes.. i compared it to a 365/317 rush hour kx suburban full n standing to the wife.

quicknote. 68030 and set is stabled in plat 2 at scarborough currently

 

[sjpowermac]

Wouldn't it be a shame if everyone complained that the trains are overcrowded now…

re sardines .. yes.. i compared it to a 365/317 rush hour kx suburban full n standing to the wife.

quicknote. 68030 and set is stabled in plat 2 at scarborough currently

A huge shame this much needed capacity has been binned off.

Unfortunately it is now too late to complain, the Class 68/Mk5A sets are gone for good from TPE.

Quite a few people did try to raise awareness with the ‘Metro Mayors’ at Transport for the North. West Yorkshire were very receptive and took a big interest in what was happening. The others ran up the white flag very quickly, Manchester in particular being a huge disappointment.

 

[Peter Sarf]

A huge shame this much needed capacity has been binned off.

Unfortunately it is now too late to complain, the Class 68/Mk5A sets are gone for good from TPE.

Quite a few people did try to raise awareness with the ‘Metro Mayors’ at Transport for the North. West Yorkshire were very receptive and took a big interest in what was happening. The others ran up the white flag very quickly, Manchester in particular being a huge disappointment.

Yes, its all a bit surreal isn't it.

I suppose some of the Mayors might have been told - how much do you want to pay. I would have hoped more support from the East side of the Peninnes might have been useful as that was the easiest area crewing wise. Manchester are probably concentrating on HS2 and TPRU ignoring the stock to run on it !.

Bridges now burnt and a lot of effort by those keeping the Mk5s going gone to waste.

 

[sjpowermac]

Yes, its all a bit surreal isn't it.

I suppose some of the Mayors might have been told - how much do you want to pay. I would have hoped more support from the East side of the Peninnes might have been useful as that was the easiest area crewing wise. Manchester are probably concentrating on HS2 and TPRU ignoring the stock to run on it !.

Bridges now burnt and a lot of effort by those keeping the Mk5s going gone to waste.

I think it was more a case of those who could think for themselves and were prepared to question the ‘alternative facts’ and those who could not.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I think it was more a case of those who could think for themselves and were prepared to question the ‘alternative facts’ and those who could not.

Careful, you will start a revolution. Our leaders value our ability to improvise and use our initiative BUT only if it fits their plan anyway.

 

[sjpowermac]

Careful, you will start a revolution. Our leaders value our ability to improvise and use our initiative BUT only if it fits their plan anyway.

Yes, quite so.

 

[xotGD]

Well I presume that everything was double 185 today, demonstrating that there is plenty of stock to go round without the Mark 5s.

 

[RHolmes]

Well I presume that everything was double 185 today, demonstrating that there is plenty of stock to go round without the Mark 5s.

Most stock was 2x 185.

Not all services are booked to be a double set including the Hulls and Saltburns

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Well I presume that everything was double 185 today, demonstrating that there is plenty of stock to go round without the Mark 5s.

And even an 802 on Scarboroughs as planned, which is of course more capacious than a Nova 3.

 

[D6700]

Well I presume that everything was double 185 today, demonstrating that there is plenty of stock to go round without the Mark 5s.

I wasn't actively looking, but a train I could have caught this morning that was supposed to be 6 cars was formed of just 3. As I was there in good time, I opted for an 802 in front of it. Looking on TPE journey check just now, in addition to that diagram, another 185 turn is 3 vice 6.

Yesterday, plenty of trains were reported on TPE journey check as full and standing - and delaying some of those trains.

 

[Geeves]

Some rough observations regards to 6 cars before the thread is closed!

State of play for the day in an easterly direction...

1Pxx Airport - Middlesbrough 15 trains ran, 9 were 6 cars
1Pxx Liverpool - Newcastle - 14 trains ran, all 800s
1Kxx Picc - Hull - 15 trains ran, 6 were 6 cars
1Bxx Liverpool - Cleethorpes - 15 trains ran 6 were 6 cars

 

[sjpowermac]

Most stock was 2x 185.

Not all services are booked to be a double set including the Hulls and Saltburns

11.12.2023
Two of the Saltburn diagrams that are booked 6-car were today 3-car.

I wasn't actively looking, but a train I could have caught this morning that was supposed to be 6 cars was formed of just 3. As I was there in good time, I opted for an 802 in front of it. Looking on TPE journey check just now, in addition to that diagram, another 185 turn is 3 vice 6.

Yesterday, plenty of trains were reported on TPE journey check as full and standing - and delaying some of those trains.

There was some very unfortunate bunching of 3-car services today.

Looking at Leeds-Manchester this afternoon we had:
1500 3-car as booked
1515 5-car as booked
1545 3-car vice 6-car
1547 3-car as booked (semi-fast)
1600 3-car as booked
1615 5-car as booked
1645 3-car vice 6-car
1647 3-car as booked (semi-fast)

Some rough observations regards to 6 cars before the thread is closed!

State of play for the day in an easterly direction...

1Pxx Airport - Middlesbrough 15 trains ran, 9 were 6 cars
1Pxx Liverpool - Newcastle - 14 trains ran, all 800s
1Kxx Picc - Hull - 15 trains ran, 6 were 6 cars
1Bxx Liverpool - Cleethorpes - 15 trains ran 6 were 6 cars

Thank you for that. It really illustrates very clearly what an utter shambles TPE continues to be.

Well I presume that everything was double 185 today, demonstrating that there is plenty of stock to go round without the Mark 5s.

In the December 2023 timetable Monday-Friday:
64 services Leeds-Manchester
24 are booked for 3-car Class 185s.

 

[xotGD]

If only there was some additional stock available for TPE to use...

So the best bet is to aim for the xx15 departure from Leeds.