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That was my first thought. It's no more expensive to deregister and reregister than it is to register a change, and simpler where the number of routes is changing.
they are all shown as received by the Traffic Commissioner on 19th July which is the 42 days notice of the change and also the date the tenders were due. It may be jumping the gun to assume this means they have lost - especially as nobody seems to have announced they have won! They may just have cancelled them to comply with 42 days notice.
 
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This is stupid. Transdev have invested in these routes. Now the council go elsewhere to save 42p and they wonder why bus provision is expensive. I think that unless there is a damned good reason to change the operator, then the incumbent should be the preferred bidder.
It's not that simple. There is usually a legal obligation to go with the lowest bidder, especially if it the contract is awarded on price alone.

If there is a quality score, then the lowest bidder may not win because their quality score may be very low. It depends on how it is weighted (for example it could be 60% price, 40% quality, but another may be 40/60 instead).
 
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Transdev very much did not want to run them anymore. It is not a renumbering. York Pullman and East Yorkshire should be the ‘big winners’
 

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Is there a minimum period when a legal notice of new services has to be published? At the moment, according to the legal notices, nobody is running these services after 1st September! I cannot believe that any other operator could be ready now for the beginning of September.
 

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Is there a minimum period when a legal notice of new services has to be published? At the moment, according to the legal notices, nobody is running these services after 1st September! I cannot believe that any other operator could be ready now for the beginning of September.
No there isn't. If an operator wishes to start a service less than 42 days from now, it submits a form to the Traffic Commissioner setting out the reasons why 'short notice' should be accepted. Award of a contract after the 42 days notice period should fit into the "unforseen circumstances" criterion. The local authority needs to provide a letter of support for the short notice application. There is a risk as it is discretionary, but I doubt there will be an issue here and you will be still able to travel, whoever the operator is! York Pullman's reg for the current 19 was received by the TC 14 days before it started; EY's for the 12 was received just seven days before it started!
 

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Transdev very much did not want to run them anymore. It is not a renumbering. York Pullman and East Yorkshire should be the ‘big winners’
York Council say the 26 number will no longer be used here (including Annexe A)


with the routes restructured as described here:


It is proposed that route 26 be merged with route 24.
 

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This, of course, affects Connexions, whose route 16 is supposed to be taking over the Acomb loop of Transdev’s 24.
 

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The 26 is gone no matter what so it’s still not a renumbering
I'm not sure what you mean. The 26 is being absorbed into other routes - that's why it would make sense to start again with the registrations even if Transdev had won them. I'm not sure how going from 3 routes to 2 (which take on parts of the removed route) wouldn't be classed as a renumbering.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. The 26 is being absorbed into other routes - that's why it would make sense to start again with the registrations even if Transdev had won them. I'm not sure how going from 3 routes to 2 (which take on parts of the removed route) wouldn't be classed as a renumbering.
26 isn’t a renumbering because it’s ceasing to exist.

Just trust me that Transdev didn’t want and haven’t got anything…
 

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How do you know? I cannot believe that having recruited many new staff, got a new bus garage and settled into a unique period of such reliability more people are using it they would not have been interested at the right price. Nobody is going to put in a stupid killer bid are they?!
 
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I know because one of the last things I did before leaving the buses in York was work on various tender renewals.
Pullman have gone in with very competitive bids...
 

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How do you know? I cannot believe that having recruited many new staff, got a new bus garage and settled into a unique period of such reliability more people are using it they would not have been interested at the right price. Nobody is going to put in a stupid killer bid are they?!
Remember that the last set of Coastliner accounts were pretty bad. Expansion in York doesn't seem to have worked out for Blazefield.
 

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It looks like Transdev have lost the contracts for all of the York contracted services, according to Vosa.

PB0001873/83 Cancelled
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: York Exhibition Square to Skelton via Rawcliffe
Service number: 19
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2024

PB0001873/73 Cancelled
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Rawcliffe to Osbaldwick, Tranby Avenue
Service number: 20
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2024

PB0001873/85 Cancelled
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: York, Piccadilly to Acomb via Holgate
Service number: 24
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2024

PB0001873/86 Cancelled
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Derwenthorpe to Fulford via York City Centre
Service number: 25
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2024

PB0001873/84 Cancelled
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Fulford to York via South Bank
Service number: 26
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Sep 2024
What about the 14?
York Council say the 26 number will no longer be used here (including Annexe A)


with the routes restructured as described here:

That's only partially true, the Fulford side of the 26 is being merged with the 24. The South Bank Loop will be merged with the 11.

I would argue that Transdev has seen the writing on the wall regarding their York operations, otherwise, why would they remove their York day tickets?
If you use Coastliner for local trips in Leeds, there will be some small changes to prices from 5th August:
• Short hop ticket will be £1.50
• The maximum £2.00 single is unchanged
• Young people’s fares are unchanged
• Our West Yorkshire 7 ticket is now £21 or £80 for a 28 day ticket

If you travel around York:

York tickets will no longer be for sale from this date - the All York ticket will be best instead. You'll be able to use any existing York tickets until they expire. York Plus tickets will be available at the current price.

There are no changes to any other zones, including York Plus, the Scarborough/Malton area tickets, DayTripper and Gold.
 

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This, of course, affects Connexions, whose route 16 is supposed to be taking over the Acomb loop of Transdev’s 24.
And who if they win may or may not change the registration - they have rerouted their X52 in Harrogate to follow the new 36 route from Leeds to the bus station but have not bothered to change the registration.
 

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If the WYIS report of the Leeds - York service being boosted is correct that will require at least three vehicles.
 

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The agreed service change date by the York Enhanced Partnership for Buses is 15 Sept so a 42 day minimum notice should have been submitted by last Sunday although their is always the short notice
 

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The agreed service change date by the York Enhanced Partnership for Buses is 15 Sept so a 42 day minimum notice should have been submitted by last Sunday although their is always the short notice
Indeed - but Coastliner also runs into WY which has a 27th Oct change date and I’m told that is when the change will happen as it will require vehicles released by the electric buses arriving in Harrogate.
 

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What would be the minimum notice that should be given to a new operator to start a service? I cannot imagine that any new operator for York’s local services could meet a 15 September deadline. When Transdev started there were a few incidents where drivers went the wrong way including one that I was on that had to turn around at Acomb fire station!
 

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What would be the minimum notice that should be given to a new operator to start a service? I cannot imagine that any new operator for York’s local services could meet a 15 September deadline.
Shorter notifiations can be given - see posting 4297 above
 

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