59CosG95
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The Man Vic - Stalybridge Piling tracker has been updated slightly; the section from Ashton Moss to Clayton LC has now gone red, while the section west of Clayton LC to Miles Platting has reverted to blue.
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GRALISTAIR
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Interesting. From an earlier post I had 473 piles total. That update tracker says 543 piles.
I read this post when I thought I had clicked on another, and read it out of context.
My initial thought was ‘Oooh, painful’, but then the penny dropped with the last sentence!
GRALISTAIR
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Are all of them electrification though?
This was the post I was referring to.
The Queens Road bridge works need some sheet piling during the blockade for example.
GRALISTAIR
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Hmmm good thinking. Still enough piles by my calculations though for all the way to Stalybridge
jonesy3001
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Is Stamford street bridge still being replaced?
CAF397
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Would they be piling all the way to where the feeder station is at Heyrod?
GRALISTAIR
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That is the other side of the Stalybridge tunnel so I very much doubt it.
Elecman
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Afaik The Great Extension Lead is permanent
61653 HTAFC
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Is that the same tunnel that was said to be difficult to electrify a while ago?
Yes.
As far as I know the extension lead has been in use for a couple of years, helping to feed electric services on the Chat Moss and Manchester-Preston lines.
I don't know whether any restrictions would have been necessary on those services if the lead had not been there, or whether enough juice could have been supplied from other sources.
Greybeard33
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IIRC the "Great Extension Lead" will become an Independent Feeder between Heyrod and the Ordsall Lane Auto Transformer Feeder Station? It will enable Heyrod to continue to feed the Bolton and Chat Moss lines if the OLE between Stalybridge and Victoria has to be isolated because of an incident or during maintenance.
Chiltern006
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im slightly confused here- are they electrifying the whole route ie man vic-colton jcn or just parts of it? cheers
No decision has yet been taken to electrify Stalybridge-Huddersfield. The rest is almost certain.
GRALISTAIR
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Or already in progress
edwin_m
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If they'd included Stalybridge to Guide Bridge then the GEL could probably have been curtailed to Stalybridge, because there would have been two independent OLE routes for the power to get to the rest of the network. But now they've built it the cost is sunk - another example of how lack of agreed forward plans increases costs.
You say that, but I've heard next to no mention anywhere of either Raventhorpe to Leeds, or Church Fenton to Leeds. You'd think they'd be obvious, but so far I'm hearing absolutely nothing, which makes me wonder how much discontinuous electrification for use by bi-modes oy there will be in practice.
I think that a typical ATFS of 2x40MVA will need a dedicated, troughed XLPE cable from its grid supply point, near or far, not just several OLE feeds, one of which is quite old. Ordsall Lane is clearly the right site for the main feeder, if an Aston uL pidgeon is not to immobilise the entire Manchester rail system!
It's good to see progress and real investment in bridge decks, curve easing etc, even if piecemeal and unadvertised.
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Those sections will be affected one way or another by whatever decisions are made on HS2 eastern leg and NPR. That's why we haven't heard anything.
edwin_m
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Ravensthorpe to Leeds isn't affected any more than Huddersfield to Ravensthorpe is. I suspect there's someone somewhere working on it with the intention of finishing about the same time as that section, but they can start later because it will mainly be just electrifying what is there now, not building new tracks and junctions as they are further west.
Approval so far is just for the Grayling era partial scheme. More recent work on full electrification hasn't been approved yet.
The papers for the Huddersfield to Westtown TWAO application mention electrifying "from Huddersfield to Westtown and right through to Leeds".
Post #4468 links a consultation about a level crossing replacement at Batley in which the artist's impressions include OLE. (Having no particular interest in the location, I haven't watched the hour-long video).
It has been mentioned in this thread that people living near Church Fenton, south of the bit now being electrified, have consulted about a proposed road including a bridge over the line. This is likely to be connected with solving the Steventon-type problem there.
If I could find the document that defines the sections like W3a etc, it describes briefly the state of the design on each.
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WestRiding
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I cannot believe Leeds to Church Fenton is not a definite.
I'd got the impression that GUI to SYB wasn't currently included?
What about Church Fenton to Colton Junction? That seems to be the most advanced on the ground.
Halifaxlad
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I can't imagine a decision would be taken before the IRP is released that will probably decide/suggest/reccomend on whenever it is to be four tracked or not.
I imagine it is but there are a few design questions to deal with before it goes ahead:
- How far should it go on the route towards Hull?
- How will the route interact with HS2, if Eastern Leg is cancelled what will this mean for the 'Garforth bypass'?
- How much 4-tracking is needed East of Leeds?
- Should the new station at Thorpe Park be built at the same time