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This was alluded to on the BBC Radio 5 Live news bulletin at 11 a.m. just now.Interesting TPE are now publicly mentioning rostering issues.
This was alluded to on the BBC Radio 5 Live news bulletin at 11 a.m. just now.Interesting TPE are now publicly mentioning rostering issues.
That will be Matthew Golton intervening and making sure the real reason gets out there - he did that on GWR too.
Self inflicted problems at this stage of the management contract is not what they wanted but it is always best to own up straight away.
Shambles in the pre Xmas week, not good at all.
No the rostering system has gone completely down today, it’s a completely separate issue to the normInteresting TPE are now publicly mentioning rostering issues. Is this perhaps a sign they’ve finally recognised what the cause of the reliability issues really is?
The stated reason (according to the BBC) being an IT / rostering problem which means that crews and trains don't match up, as @RHolmes has mentioned just now.This was alluded to on the BBC Radio 5 Live news bulletin at 11 a.m. just now.
The stated reason (according to the BBC) being an IT / rostering problem which means that crews and trains don't match up, as @RHolmes has mentioned just now.
What happened to the days when all you had available was a set of diagrams, pen and paper, a typewriter, and a telephone, backed up by a human brain ? We seemed to be able to manage to get the rostering done. Well, that's progress I suppose ?The stated reason (according to the BBC) being an IT / rostering problem which means that crews and trains don't match up, as @RHolmes has mentioned just now.
No the rostering system has gone completely down today, it’s a completely separate issue to the norm
Of course this wouldn’t be having anywhere near as much of an impact if they hadn’t over optimised crew diagrams, as with fewer crew changes it would have been easier to revert to a paper rostering setup.The stated reason (according to the BBC) being an IT / rostering problem which means that crews and trains don't match up, as @RHolmes has mentioned just now.
Quite!Thanks. Clearly on Transpennine trains and crews don't usually match up.
Surely today's roster should have been done at least a week ago, with daily sheets published etc. What exactly has happened to cause an immediate meltdown like this?No the rostering system has gone completely down today, it’s a completely separate issue to the norm
Drivers have been issued with STP diagrams over the last few days as they are booking on that have had no scrutiny as required by anyone , created with from what I've been told a panic filled planning department. Taxis not booked, no breaks on the diagram, incorrect timings etc etc.
With the pressure of planning departments over the last couple of years it's not a surprise things go wrong, particularly if the IT fails to support them.Drivers have been issued with STP diagrams over the last few days as they are booking on that have had no scrutiny as required by anyone , created with from what I've been told a panic filled planning department. Taxis not booked, no breaks on the diagram, incorrect timings etc etc.
So a bean counter somewhere has asked the planners for a schedule which is optimised until the pips squeak? Rather than a balance of robustness and efficiency?This isn't a sudden issue today. The same issues existed in one for or another on Monday and Tuesday and also Monday last week.
There are diagrams where crew are rostered to trains which don't exist.
There are trains which do exist which have no one rostered to them.
The daily appearance sheets posted a week ago don't match up with the diagrams which are appearing in depots on a daily basis.
The obsession with optimised and efficient crew diagrams (on paper) means there are trains which have 3 or 4 crew changes en route, so as soon as 1 person is missing it causes chaos. On paper it looks good to the bean counters, but in reality it just doesn't work.
The diagrams have so many PASS rides on for crew that as soon as one train is missing then more than just one set of crew are in the wrong place.
They have trained a load of new drivers at one depot on a set of routes and traction, only to find, about 4 weeks before the December timetable change, that planning had moved a load of work around and they needed the drivers to drive different routes and traction, so they are no longer productive and have to start training on routes etc again.
The obsession with reducing and keeping route and traction knowledge between different depots and links down means then there is absolutely no cross cover ability and you may have staff but they don't sign the route or traction.
Add in that:
Morale is so low that front line staff generally have no interest in helping out
That there are various historical agreements with Aslef that means Drivers can't be shuffled around on the day to cover for staff shortages/ rostering errors without mutual agreement, which isn't always forthcoming
The RMT overtime ban is in place
And you have a perfect recipe for complete and utter chaos.
I've posted a few times here basically blaming the government for this mess. I wouldn't call that defending TPE, it's just a fact that the government is not interested in fixing this. It doesn't mean TPE are great, it means the people who have the power to fix it aren't bothering, and I think until we direct our anger at the government rather than the franchises/ex-franchises, the railway will continue to be run into the ground."IT'S ALL THE FAULT OF DFT THOUGH!!!!"
Not seen some of the die-hard TPE defenders in a while...
It does very much seem that way, yes.So a bean counter somewhere has asked the planners for a schedule which is optimised until the pips squeak? Rather than a balance of robustness and efficiency?
The railway is so intensively operated that it is essentially impossible to just "change the timetable".But why not change the timetable to match the resources available?
But why not change the timetable to match the resources available?
Been informed by cust services chap that the online system tpe use to allocate crews went tits up last night, so crews didn't know where to go to. RR Coaches stuck on M62.Here is grim situation at Huddersfield now. 14.30.