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Trivia: Greatest variation of passenger traction working a specific service

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Not sure if this has been done yet (or if the most appropriate forum section would be 'Allocations and Diagrams'), but after a thought I had on the 'oddities' thread, I was wondering which journey in the UK is served by the greatest number of traction.

To eleborate, I mean a singular end to end journey as opposed to just any service passing through on an applicable line.

For example, Edinburgh Waverley to Dundee would count as 2, as only 170s and 158s have recently worked a service commencing at Edinburgh which terminates at Dundee. Thus, HSTs, Voyagers, and the Sleeper would not count in this instance, because despite the fact they make the journey and call at both Edinburgh and Dundee, they don't work this specific end to end service commencing and terminating at these stations. Examples also can't incorporate different routes between two stations (such as Edinburgh to Glasgow Central). Multiple TOCs count - such as Aberdeen to Edinburgh, of which XC operate one end to end service each night on - taking the tally for Edinburgh to Aberdeen to 6 (158, 170, HST Refurb, HST Classic, 220, 221).

Time period wise could be past or present, but non service-specific (such as 15:41), but examples mainly must account for a period of up to a year, as opposed to the number of traction over the course of 150 years. Given this is in a passenger context, loco hauled sets count as one (ie a HST set), unless there's a distinct differentiation of the carriage type (Mk2 & Mk3 on the Caledonian Sleeper, which would equal 2), or the state of the carriage itself ('Classic' Mk3, 'Power Door Mk3', 'Sleeper' Mk3 = 3 in total).

In this case the greatest number I can think of in Scotland at least would be Glasgow Queen Street to Alloa, which has seen five different passenger traction types over the past 12 months (156, 158, 170, 365, 385), and also Glasgow Queen Street to Falkirk Grahamston, which prior to the recent extension to Edinburgh Waverley, had seen services being operated by 156s, 158s, 170s, 380s, and 385s IIRC.
 
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Some of the SWR suburban services have 4 (450, 455, 456 and 707).

The Cumbrian Coast used to get 5 until the loco hauled stuff was withdrawn (37, 68, 142, 153, 156). I'm also not sure if the 142 diagram still runs anymore.

SouthEastern outer suburban stuff gets 4 (375, 377, 465, 466).

The greatest variation will probably be on a service operated by Northern. My first guess would be the Harrogate line which, off the top of my head, has 6 (142, 144, 150, 153, 155, 170).
 

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The city and bay lines in Cardiff..142, 143, 150 and 153.
Maesteg also has 158 and 175 but variations in start points.

The Bays are all booked 153 but see the others
Maesteg also sees 142, 143 and 150 (the core traction)
Cardiff to Ebbw Vale same as Maesteg plus 153
 

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Bridlington to Hull with Northern currently can be a 142, 144, 150, 153 or 158. (Possibly 170s soon too)

Not a self contained route but travelling west from Hull to Brough can be any of the following:
Northern - 142, 144, 150, 153, 155, 158
TPE - 185
Hull Trains - 180
LNER - HST
 

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Clapham Junction to London Waterloo would have 8: 158, 159, 444, 450, 455, 456, 458, 707.
 

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Pembroke Dock to Carmarthen and beyond sees 142, 143, 150, 153, 158, 175, and was HST during summer
 

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The majority of EMT local services can produce 153, 156 or 158, but Leicester to Lincoln introduces 222's, and from Nottingham to Lincoln HST's at Christmas market time, so i'm claiming 5.
 

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On Leeds - York via Harrogate you can have a 142, 144, 150, 153, 155, 158 & 170 all in a single day.
 

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Taunton/Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Parkway/Cardiff has some variety (I know its two different routes, but the diagrams overlap)

Mostly 150s, 165s and 166s. Still sometimes get a 158, or even a 143. And at peak times there will often be a 153 attached to the back of something else. And a few years back we had the bonus of a 66 loco hauled diagram
 

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Completely forgot about Aberdeen to Edinburgh, which now regularly sees 6 traction operating an end to end service between the two; (158, 170, HST refurbished, HST classic, 220, 221)
 

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Not sure if this has been done yet (or if the most appropriate forum section would be 'Allocations and Diagrams'), but after a thought I had on the 'oddities' thread, I was wondering which journey in the UK is served by the greatest number of traction.

To eleborate, I mean a singular end to end journey as opposed to just any service passing through on an applicable line.

For example, Edinburgh Waverley to Dundee would count as 2, as only 170s and 158s have recently worked a service commencing at Edinburgh which terminates at Dundee. Thus, HSTs, Voyagers, and the Sleeper would not count in this instance, because despite the fact they make the journey and call at both Edinburgh and Dundee, they don't work this specific end to end service commencing and terminating at these stations. Examples also can't incorporate different routes between two stations (such as Edinburgh to Glasgow Central). Multiple TOCs count - such as Aberdeen to Edinburgh, of which XC operate one end to end service each night on - taking the tally for Edinburgh to Aberdeen to 6 (158, 170, HST Refurb, HST Classic, 220, 221).

Time period wise could be past or present, but non service-specific (such as 15:41), but examples mainly must account for a period of up to a year, as opposed to the number of traction over the course of 150 years. Given this is in a passenger context, loco hauled sets count as one (ie a HST set), unless there's a distinct differentiation of the carriage type (Mk2 & Mk3 on the Caledonian Sleeper, which would equal 2), or the state of the carriage itself ('Classic' Mk3, 'Power Door Mk3', 'Sleeper' Mk3 = 3 in total).

In this case the greatest number I can think of in Scotland at least would be Glasgow Queen Street to Alloa, which has seen five different passenger traction types over the past 12 months (156, 158, 170, 365, 385), and also Glasgow Queen Street to Falkirk Grahamston, which prior to the recent extension to Edinburgh Waverley, had seen services being operated by 156s, 158s, 170s, 380s, and 385s IIRC.

Not seen 365 on Alloa yet , thought they are confined to Edinburgh to Dunblanes and not seen 385 on that service.

Glasgow to Neilston/Newton , 314 , 320 , 318 and 380
 

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The Cumbrian Coast used to get 5 until the loco hauled stuff was withdrawn (37, 68, 142, 153, 156). I'm also not sure if the 142 diagram still runs anymore.

Would Norwich to Lowestoft be the same? 37, 68, 153, 156, 158, 170?
 

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How about this as a variation: Waterloo to Reading has 450, 458 and 707, whereas Reading to Waterloo is 450 and 458. A 707 only works 1935 Waterloo-Reading and goes back empty.

Any other routes where it is different from one direction to the other?
 

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Peterborough and Cambridge on FCC/Great Northern services Pre 2017 used to see a mix of Class 317s, Class 321s, Class 365s and Class 387s.
 

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How about this as a variation: Waterloo to Reading has 450, 458 and 707, whereas Reading to Waterloo is 450 and 458. A 707 only works 1935 Waterloo-Reading and goes back empty.

You can also add to that 455s as a (albeit now rather uncommon, but it used to happen as much as twice a week) substitution and, extremely rarely, a single 159 has previously been sent to Reading as a substitution. Not sure if a 456 has ever run it though.
 

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You can also add to that 455s as a (albeit now rather uncommon, but it used to happen as much as twice a week) substitution and, extremely rarely, a single 159 has previously been sent to Reading as a substitution. Not sure if a 456 has ever run it though.
At one point (back in VEP days) 455s were the booked traction on the Reading line in the evening and at weekends. That would have been back in the days of the old 4tph service (2 via Richmond, 2 via Hounslow) before the last major timetable revision as they only operated as single units.

I've never been aware of a 159 beyond Virginia Water, so if it happened it must be some time ago and only very very rarely - apart from anything else how many crews sign both Reading and 159s?!

As for 456s, obviously they were booked traction for the morning Waterloo/Clapham-Guildford via Richmond and Ascot, but I do not believe they are cleared for Ascot-Reading.
 

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How about this as a variation: Waterloo to Reading has 450, 458 and 707, whereas Reading to Waterloo is 450 and 458. A 707 only works 1935 Waterloo-Reading and goes back empty.

Any other routes where it is different from one direction to the other?

Frome - Paddington at present. 1A70 which is the Frome starter is currently a HST, but the 'return' workings (1707 and 1807 PAD - FRO) are both IETs.
 

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On Leeds - York via Harrogate you can have a 142, 144, 150, 153, 155, 158 & 170 all in a single day.

With the exception of the Class 170, you can generally perm any two of those classes in a single train on that route.
 

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Taunton/Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Parkway/Cardiff has some variety (I know its two different routes, but the diagrams overlap)

Mostly 150s, 165s and 166s. Still sometimes get a 158, or even a 143. And at peak times there will often be a 153 attached to the back of something else. And a few years back we had the bonus of a 66 loco hauled diagram

The loco hauled were Class 57s and later replaced by Class 67s
 

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The SE inner London routes see a fairly random selection of 465, 466 and 376 stock, even ignoring the 700s which largely duplicate the Greenwich line services
 

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I don't think there's any 153s go up there any more and I'm fairly certain 158s neither.

153s do still go paired with something else and a 158 worked the 0633 off Leeds on Thursday, there were others on Wednesday.
 

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The Bays are all booked 153 but see the others
Maesteg also sees 142, 143 and 150 (the core traction)
Cardiff to Ebbw Vale same as Maesteg plus 153

I've also been on doubled up 153s working the Cheltenham - Maesteg and they have also been used to add capacity to the 150s on the route
 
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