Trivia: longest diagram?

[telstarbox]

On the thread about local liveries for units it was mentioned that Northern have some very complex diagrams so units can end up anywhere. Which are the longest diagrams in terms of where a unit starts and finishsles its day? (For Northern or other TOCs).

Also which diagram sees the most stations - as opposed to shuttling between A and B all day.

 

[First class]

I would imagine that EMT 158s (especially the ECS lot) could conceivably do:

Nottingham-Liverpool-Norwich-Liverpool-Nottingham/Norwich.

Must be looking at 750-800 miles?

 

[me123]

A strong candidate would be the voyager running Aberdeen to Penzance, which starts at Craigentinny, moving ECS to Dundee, a local Dundee to Aberdeen morning run, then the run down to Penzance before going ECS to the depot. Overall, starts in Edinburgh and ends in Penzance.

There will be others which do this, in both directions, but I doubt any go as far north as Aberdeen in the process.

As for longest diagram, I don't know if a certain East Coast HST has that one covered? It runs Leeds to Aberdeen to King's Cross to Leeds, which I think was conspired the longest diagram a few years back (although as it starts and ends in the same place it doesn't really meet your criteria).

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Doesn't a Virgin set get to Wolves, Glasgow and Manchester or something all in the same day? RAIL reported on it a while ago...

 

[higthomas]

Doesn't a Virgin set get to Wolves, Glasgow and Manchester or something all in the same day? RAIL reported on it a while ago...

Indeed

The ‘390’ will operate the 0422 empty coaching stock to London Euston, the 0526 Euston to Liverpool Lime Street, 0847 return to Euston, 1130 to Glasgow Central, 1640 return, 2300 to Manchester Piccadilly and 0220 ECS to Longsight. All told, this will be 1,3831⁄2 miles. Both CrossCountry and East Coast have diagrams more than 1,000 miles long, but RAIL believes this is the UK’s longest.
- See more at: http://www.railmagazine.com/trains/...-s-hardest-working-train#sthash.9sXU0XFp.dpuf

A fair old trek.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Good no of GW area HST's would clock up near a 1000 miles - though not every day of course ....(they would be rotated round to balance the exams and fuel requirements) ...

My favourite used to be the 1980 era Marks - Tey to Sudbury unit which interworked via Colchester / Ipswich / Cambridge / PBO and ended up in Leicester. Long way for a Cravens DMU..

 

[LowLevel]

I would imagine that EMT 158s (especially the ECS lot) could conceivably do:

Nottingham-Liverpool-Norwich-Liverpool-Nottingham/Norwich.

Must be looking at 750-800 miles?

There's a diagram which does Nottingham - Liverpool - Nottingham - Liverpool - Nottingham - Derby - Crewe - Derby - Crewe as well.

The longest one is Nottingham - Liverpool - Norwich - Liverpool - Nottingham as far as I know.

 

[Hophead]

The ‘390’ will operate the 0422 empty coaching stock to London Euston, the 0526 Euston to Liverpool Lime Street, 0847 return to Euston, 1130 to Glasgow Central, 1640 return, 2300 to Manchester Piccadilly and 0220 ECS to Longsight. All told, this will be 1,3831⁄2 miles. Both CrossCountry and East Coast have diagrams more than 1,000 miles long, but RAIL believes this is the UK’s longest

A fair old trek.

And a fair old duration too (just over 22 hours) - I'd guess it would be take the record for that as well?

 

[DarloRich]

Is there not an East Coast diagram that does:

Neville Hill-Leeds-Aberdeen-Kings Cross-Leeds-Neville Hill?

that must be quite long

 

[FQ]

Not as long as the one posted above but I think that there is one which goes from Neville Hill-Hull-Kings Cross-Inverness. That is pretty long too!

 

[telstarbox]

Does anyone know the longest Northern one?

 

[FQ]

Does anyone know the longest Northern one?

The York-Blackpool 158s must rack up quite a few miles in a day.

 

[Class377/5]

One pair of 387s on Thameslink do 779 miles a day While running around for 22hrs and 32mins (01+16 start , 01+48 finish with a 2hr rest)

 

[PHILIPE]

I'm sure there was a feature in "Rail" Magazine where a Depot was visited and from this a mention of a very long diagram of an FGW HST but I can't recall the detail at this stage.

 

[flash]

Class 373 - double trip Paris...

 

[Bodiddly]

With the UK network being small in rail terms, the longest diagram can only be determined by how many miles the set can do in one 24 hour period. This would factor in speed and down time for maintenance. The Pendo featured in Rail can be the only winner here due to the fact it is running for around 20 hours a day at full pelt for most of it. Nearly 1400 miles a day is pretty impressive!

 

[Class377/5]

With the UK network being small in rail terms, the longest diagram can only be determined by how many miles the set can do in one 24 hour period. This would factor in speed and down time for maintenance. The Pendo featured in Rail can be the only winner here due to the fact it is running for around 20 hours a day at full pelt for most of it. Nearly 1400 miles a day is pretty impressive!

That's not the longest diagrams in the country so not quite that impressive.

 

[higthomas]

So what is?

 

[Benno]

So what is?

I'm wondering that too, given that one of our 222 diagrams leaves Derby at 03:07, goes to Leicester, St. Pancras, Sheffield, St. Pancras, Sheffield, St. Pancras, Sheffield, St. Pancras, Nottingham & back to Derby at 02:50 the following morning and only covers 1304 miles, what can beat that by a long way in 24 hours?
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Is there not an East Coast diagram that does:



Neville Hill-Leeds-Aberdeen-Kings Cross-Leeds-Neville Hill?



that must be quite long

1079 miles
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The longest one is Nottingham - Liverpool - Norwich - Liverpool - Nottingham as far as I know.

763 miles

 

[FQ]

Not sure how long but isn't there a 91 which does this?

Heaton-Berwick Upon Tweed-Kings Cross-York-Kings Cross-Newcastle-Kings Cross-Kings Cross via Bowes Park. It starts at 04:30 and finishes at 02:55.

 

[Benno]

Not sure how long but isn't there a 91 which does this?

Heaton-Berwick Upon Tweed-Kings Cross-York-Kings Cross-Newcastle-Kings Cross-Kings Cross via Bowes Park. It starts at 04:30 and finishes at 02:55.

1332 miles
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A strong candidate would be the voyager running Aberdeen to Penzance, which starts at Craigentinny, moving ECS to Dundee, a local Dundee to Aberdeen morning run, then the run down to Penzance before going ECS to the depot. Overall, starts in Edinburgh and ends in Penzance.

There will be others which do this, in both directions, but I doubt any go as far north as Aberdeen in the process.

921 miles for that diagram.

 

[Bodiddly]

That's not the longest diagrams in the country so not quite that impressive.

I can't think of a trainset that does more miles in a day.
I'm sure you will come back to us soon with a number of diagrams more impressive.

 

[Class377/5]

With the UK network being small in rail terms, the longest diagram can only be determined by how many miles the set can do in one 24 hour period. This would factor in speed and down time for maintenance. The Pendo featured in Rail can be the only winner here due to the fact it is running for around 20 hours a day at full pelt for most of it. Nearly 1400 miles a day is pretty impressive!

I can't think of a trainset that does more miles in a day.
I'm sure you will come back to us soon with a number of diagrams more impressive.

I've already given a diagram that last over 24hrs, that far more than 20hrs of limited stops running and inbetween jounery's it'll be sat down for a lot less than the intercity stock. There's is nothing in the original post that its has to mean miles. Time also applies.

Going full pelt is not the best test of a unit but stopping and starting with high speed running is far more challenging for a unit all day long.

 

[Bodiddly]

On the thread about local liveries for units it was mentioned that Northern have some very complex diagrams so units can end up anywhere. Which are the longest diagrams in terms of where a unit starts and finishsles its day? (For Northern or other TOCs).

Also which diagram sees the most stations - as opposed to shuttling between A and B all day.

I've already given a diagram that last over 24hrs..........

More than a day?

To get an accurate answer maybe OP should clarify the original question.

 

[Class377/5]

More than a day?

To get an accurate answer maybe OP should clarify the original question.

I'm not quite sure why your struggling with this. Here's my eariler post.

One pair of 387s on Thameslink do 779 miles a day While running around for 22hrs and 32mins (01+16 start , 01+48 finish with a 2hr rest)

0116 until 0148 is 24hrs 32mins long.

Agree the original post doesn't define what longest actually means.

 

[dk1]

It is very interesting to compare the stock utilisation on today's railway compared to the 1970s. Owing to the nature and complication of loco-hauled trains there was a great deal of lay over & inefficient use on many routes. Some of this was due also to the way vehicles where frequently attached/detached to suit postal, parcels & other traffic.

 

[W230]

It is very interesting to compare the stock utilisation on today's railway compared to the 1970s.

Agreed. I hadn't realised to what extent the stock was used. Even that stock with TOCs that has lower mileages in a day, still sees most of the day in use. I was aware of the 387s running pretty much all hours since coming in but this does help to show why the breakdowns that occur, actually happen! Take the 319s for example - start/stop work on intensive routes running most of the time for 25 years. No wonder they're getting so tired!