brad465
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Electrostars like the 387s are around 13-15 years older than the 375s, broadly of the same design and certainly part of the same overall train family.
and along with the previously mentioned turbostars owe their design to the networker family 165/365/465 and proposed 471 as the blueprints were passed on from BREL to ABB, AdTranz and finally Bombardier. I understand Aventuras are an evolvement of the design so could they be counted?Electrostars like the 387s are around 13-15 years older than the 375s, broadly of the same design and certainly part of the same overall train family.
The 737 has lasted even longer, and of course the fuselage is derived from the even older 707. This is, of course, the main reason the 737-MAX has been such a problem - the old fuselage design hasn't been suitable for modern engines, and the whole thing turned into a disastrous fudge.An example from another mode of transport — the Boeing 747 first flew in February 1969 and the last ones will be completed next year. A 54 year production run...
already beaten up thread the 737 flew first 1967 and still in full production (even if the latest don’t work properly)An example from another mode of transport — the Boeing 747 first flew in February 1969 and the last ones will be completed next year. A 54 year production run...
networkers are extruded aluminuim and weldsand along with the previously mentioned turbostars owe their design to the networker family 165/365/465 and proposed 471 as the blueprints were passed on from BREL to ABB, AdTranz and finally Bombardier. I understand Aventuras are an evolvement of the design so could they be counted?
already beaten up thread the 737 flew first 1967 and still in full production (even if the latest don’t work properly)
networkers are extruded aluminuim and welds
electrostars are welded aluminuim sections
completely different form of construction
if you want to put those two together then you may as well say the Pep EMU and the Mk3 EMU and Networkers and Electostars and Aventras are all the same for no other reason than they are successive builds
All apart from the Aventra also have the same bogies, or at least versions of the same basic design, except for the power bogies of the Mk3-derifed EMUs.if you want to put those two together then you may as well say the Pep EMU and the Mk3 EMU and Networkers and Electostars and Aventras are all the same for no other reason than they are successive builds
The Aventra is a completely new design (I believe it took at least 3 attempts to bring it off the drawing board). There's a number of notable design features bought over to the fleet by Christian Roth (a man once known as Mr Siemens due to his involvement in bringing the Desiro to the UK) including the very Germanic / Desiro-esq roofline.and along with the previously mentioned turbostars owe their design to the networker family 165/365/465 and proposed 471 as the blueprints were passed on from BREL to ABB, AdTranz and finally Bombardier. I understand Aventuras are an evolvement of the design so could they be counted?
In fact the last BR Seacow ballast hoppers (to that same basic 40t design, but better brakes and bogies) were built around 1981/82....BR NER and BR SR were building 21 t coal hoppers and 40 t bogie ballast hoppers in late 50s \ early 60s to late Victorian or Edwardian NER and LSWR designs respectively...
thanks - wow I dodn't know Seacow were that late build, into 1980s.In fact the last BR Seacow ballast hoppers (to that same basic 40t design, but better brakes and bogies) were built around 1981/82.
This page
says the basic design was from 1903/04.bogie ballast hoppers – Southern Railway, Fisherton Sarum, Canute Road Quay & Westhill Road
Posts about bogie ballast hoppers written by grahammuzsouthern-railway.com
Are there still a few of the later models knocking round in preservation at least?
Lady of Legend 2999 GWR 2900 Saint Class built 2019. Design first used/built in 1902. That's a gap of 117 years!
The design of the Turbostar is quite different to the Networker Turbo. The body shell of the Turbo is of welded construction, whereas the Turbostar is formed of several sub-assemblies of roof, floor and various side and end assemblies which are then bolted together.Depending on your take on the question, the Turbostar (built up to 2005) is essentially the same basic design as the Networker Turbo introduced in 1990. The design has evolved over the years but I would consider the class 172 with mechanical transmission as the point it became a truly different type.
Yes; 17173, 17174 and 17175 were built in 1986.Weren't some MK3 vehicles (carriages rather than units) being built in the late 1980s?
The Driving Van Trailers were the last Mark 3 vehicles of all - they were built in 1988.Yes; 17173, 17174 and 17175 were built in 1986.
Yes... I forgot about those!!!The Driving Van Trailers were the last Mark 3 vehicles of all - they were built in 1988.
321420 (now with ScotRail as 320420) was built in the late 1990s to replace the damage vehicles involved in the Watford Crash in 1996. The new unit 420 was built shortly after the Class 325 batch, maybe about 1997 or 98.surely the “last mark 3 vehicles of all” were class 325 in 1995, or possibly (?) were there accident replacement cars for 321 etc even after that
further back up it said carriages not units, but here it said vehicles, which counts then all
And until that arrives, there is the 1979 replica of Stephenson's Rocket (1829) - and there are also replicas of "Sans Pareil" (1979 / original 1829), "Locomotion No.1" (1975/original 1825). and "Puffing Billy" (2005/ original 1813 or 1814)In the field of steam "re-creations", surely the ultimate record holder will be the Severn Valley's mark 2 version of Trevithick's "Catch Me Who Can", due to be completed rather more than 210 years after the original?