Two tickets where first one gets delayed but is an Anytime single and the second one is an advance ticket.

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Hello,
I'm sure this is a fairly common question so I apologise but as someone living within 30 miles of london I've always had this problem.
It is always significantly cheaper to but London to -> Anywhere tickets separately from Guildford-London. But I've never trusted SWR. I also overcomplicate it in that I always travel Guildford-Wimbledon (either direct or via woking), and then Wimbledon-St pancras. this is marginally cheaper but more importantly is far easier with luggage than using the underground.
So I have my advance ticket from Kings cross on LNER and need to get to kings cross. I buy a single ticket. I always give insane amounts of additional time, because I never trust SWR, I've used them 4 times to make this journey and so far every single time there has been an issue (once I was stranded at effingham junction and lucky some chelsea fans drove me to parsons green, another time SWR dumped me at surbiton for over an hour running every service non stop through wimbledon to save themselves).
And I understand but my question is this:
Say I have a 12:00 ticket out of kings cross. And buy a ticket from Guildford at 10am,2 hours before (should get me to waterloo at 10:30 and kings cross at 10:50) but then SWR do what they do and make me miss my train is this my fault or can I travel still freely on a later train?
I guess my question is how much time do I have to leave for me to be allowed to miss my advance booking when an anytime ticket train gets delayed as SWR always do?
And if none how early should I book? It's getting to the point I feel I have to wait 2/3 hours at kings cross just because I have zero faith in SWR which seems insane

Also what if instead of LNER it is Eurostar as hopefully soon it will be?
 
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You can use a combination of tickets to make one journey and in the event of a delay you are still allowed to travel on a later train in the event of a delay. The only caveat is you must allow at least the minimum connection time where you change trains. I'd also avoid using contactless or oyster when travelling through London for this purpose as it's harder to show that the tickets 'join up'.

I recommend using a split ticketing site such as trainsplit where you will get an itinerary which shows evidence of your journey.

One final thing to be aware of is that a minority of staff are poorly trained and like to make up their own rules, so in the event of a dispute I'd pay up, retain evidence of exactly what happened and then make a subsequent complaint to get it sorted (we're always interested to hear about these sort of cases on here).
 

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What's the applicable recommended cross London interchange time for a journey from Waterloo (or from Wimbledon if that is where the OP is joining the Underground system) across to Kings Cross?
 

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Regarding the Eurostar comment, I'm aware there used to be tickets with the destination London International or something like that which were specifically intended to be used in conjunction with international tickets. If they still exist, I'd consider getting one of those.
 

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Hello,
I'm sure this is a fairly common question so I apologise but as someone living within 30 miles of london I've always had this problem.
It is always significantly cheaper to but London to -> Anywhere tickets separately from Guildford-London. But I've never trusted SWR. I also overcomplicate it in that I always travel Guildford-Wimbledon (either direct or via woking), and then Wimbledon-St pancras. this is marginally cheaper but more importantly is far easier with luggage than using the underground.
So I have my advance ticket from Kings cross on LNER and need to get to kings cross. I buy a single ticket. I always give insane amounts of additional time, because I never trust SWR, I've used them 4 times to make this journey and so far every single time there has been an issue (once I was stranded at effingham junction and lucky some chelsea fans drove me to parsons green, another time SWR dumped me at surbiton for over an hour running every service non stop through wimbledon to save themselves).
And I understand but my question is this:
Say I have a 12:00 ticket out of kings cross. And buy a ticket from Guildford at 10am,2 hours before (should get me to waterloo at 10:30 and kings cross at 10:50) but then SWR do what they do and make me miss my train is this my fault or can I travel still freely on a later train?
I guess my question is how much time do I have to leave for me to be allowed to miss my advance booking when an anytime ticket train gets delayed as SWR always do?
And if none how early should I book? It's getting to the point I feel I have to wait 2/3 hours at kings cross just because I have zero faith in SWR which seems insane

Also what if instead of LNER it is Eurostar as hopefully soon it will be?
It sounds like you are asking about what is commonly called split tickets. In the eyes of the railway, you can still be making one journey even if you buy split tickets. The only condition to this is that you must allow sufficient time whenever you change trains (and obviously the tickets must join up!).

This means that as long as you make it to your origin station in time for your first train, any delays that occur en-route are not your fault or your problem, and you are entitled to take later trains if you miss a connection - even with an Advance ticket. You would also be entitled to Delay Repay if you are delayed by 15/30+ minutes, payable on the combined value of all your tickets.

If you want the same protection to apply to international journeys incorporating Eurostar, you should buy a ticket issued to "London International CIV". You can get such tickets at a ticket office.

The required interchange time if connecting from Waterloo to Kings Cross is 53 minutes between 07:00 and 19:00, and slightly more than that at other times. So for example if your train from Guildford arrived at Waterloo at 10:00 you would need to depart Kings Cross at 10:53 or later for it to be a valid connection.

From Waterloo to St Pancras it's the same as above if you are travelling on a domestic service, however if travelling on Eurostar with a ticket to London International CIV, then you need to leave at least 71 minutes (to allow for the security checks etc).

Whilst taking the Tube from Wimbledon to Kings Cross/St Pancras may be your preferred option, it is not a recognised connection with defined minimum change times. Therefore I would be wary of relying on it if you want to catch a train for which you have an Advance ticket.

It is always easiest to use a site like TrainSplit (Trainline and some other sites also sell split tickets). These will calculate cheaper combinations of tickets and present you with an itinerary that is guaranteed to meet the minimum connection times outlined above. If there are any problems you can then refer to that.
 
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Between 07:00 and 19:00 you should allow 53 minutes to connect between Waterloo and Kings Cross. Journey planners will always meet the minimum connection times.

If travelling on Eurostar you should allow an additional 30 minutes.
 

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Are London International CIV tickets more expensive comparing to London Terminals?
 

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Whilst taking the Tube from Wimbledon to Kings Cross/St Pancras may be your preferred option, it is not a recognised connection with defined minimum change times. Therefore I would be wary of relying on it if you want to catch a train for which you have an Advance ticket.
I think the OP may have been talking about using Thameslink between Wimbledon and St Pancras, but the same applies in respect of minimum journey times. For such a journey the OP would be well advised to obtain an itinerary from National Rail Enquiries (or a ticket selling website) and follow that.
 

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We sell London International tickets on TrainSplit, so you can see the price differences there.
 

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If the plan was to take the Thameslink from Wimbledon to St. Pancras for a 12.00 departure from King's Cross, then with the current timetable that would mean the 10.37 from Wimbledon arriving at 11.18, because the next one is 30 minutes later arriving STP at 11.48, too late for the 12.00 departure. That would require catching the 9.37 from Guildford, arriving Wimbledon at 10.20.
On the other hand journey planners will tell you to take the 10.07 from Guildford and change at Vauxhall for the Victoria Line. (using the 11.55 departure to Edinburgh as an example)
I guess if you had a booked itinerary departing Guildford 9.37 changing at Wimbledon onto the 10.37 arriving STP at 11.18, and SW trains caused you to miss the connection at Wimbledon, which then caused you to miss the connection at KGX, then you will be fine on the next LNER service and can claim Delay Repay from SWT.
 

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If the plan was to take the Thameslink from Wimbledon to St. Pancras for a 12.00 departure from King's Cross, then with the current timetable that would mean the 10.37 from Wimbledon arriving at 11.18, because the next one is 30 minutes later arriving STP at 11.48, too late for the 12.00 departure. That would require catching the 9.37 from Guildford, arriving Wimbledon at 10.20.
On the other hand journey planners will tell you to take the 10.07 from Guildford and change at Vauxhall for the Victoria Line. (using the 11.55 departure to Edinburgh as an example)
I guess if you had a booked itinerary departing Guildford 9.37 changing at Wimbledon onto the 10.37 arriving STP at 11.18, and SW trains caused you to miss the connection at Wimbledon, which then caused you to miss the connection at KGX, then you will be fine on the next LNER service and can claim Delay Repay from SWT.
If you’re going to leave half an hour earlier because you’re worried about making connections it would seem perverse to then use a slower less frequent route.
 

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If you’re going to leave half an hour earlier because you’re worried about making connections it would seem perverse to then use a slower less frequent route.
The OP did specifically mention wanting to use the Thameslink in preference to the tube due to having luggage with them.
 

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I guess my question is how much time do I have to leave for me to be allowed to miss my advance booking when an anytime ticket train gets delayed as SWR always do?
And if none how early should I book? It's getting to the point I feel I have to wait 2/3 hours at kings cross just because I have zero faith in SWR which seems insane

Also what if instead of LNER it is Eurostar as hopefully soon it will be?
If you use Thameslink, you would need to allow 31 minutes from when the Thameslink train is scheduled to reach St Pancras and when the train is due to leave Kings Cross. As it's so long, it can sometimes be quicker to stay on Thameslink until Stevenage or Peterborough. You can't do that if you already have an advance ticket from Kings Cross, though.

If you're concerned about SWR in particular, then you could get a GWR train to (say) Redhill, and avoid SWR altogether. You'd need different tickets for that.

I don't know much about Eurostar, but seat61.com suggests that booking a through ticket from Guildford with Eurostar may be the cheapest option once the foreign travel restrictions are eased. The feature is disabled at the moment, so I can't check anything now.
 

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I don't know much about Eurostar, but seat61.com suggests that booking a through ticket from Guildford with Eurostar may be the cheapest option once the foreign travel restrictions are eased. The feature is disabled at the moment, so I can't check anything now.
Those fares are shown on BRFares.com.
The "London International" fare gives you the option a long-period return
https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=GLD&dest=LNE
The "London Eurostar" add-ons are cheaper (change LNE to LOE) but depend on ES being willing and able to issue them.
Both include tube travel.
 

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I don't think tickets to/from London Eurostar are sold any longer.
 

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We sell London International tickets on TrainSplit, so you can see the price differences there.
Oh that's handy! I used to buy them from a station as the only other way it seemed to get a hold of them was via Raileasy who charge a booking fee. I shall be availing myself of Trainsplit in the future I think for these now!
Those fares are shown on BRFares.com.
The "London International" fare gives you the option a long-period return
https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=GLD&dest=LNE
The "London Eurostar" add-ons are cheaper (change LNE to LOE) but depend on ES being willing and able to issue them.
Both include tube travel.
As far as I'm aware London Eurostar tickets are no longer available to purchase so the best bet is a London International ticket.
 

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You can use a combination of tickets to make one journey and in the event of a delay you are still allowed to travel on a later train in the event of a delay. The only caveat is you must allow at least the minimum connection time where you change trains. I'd also avoid using contactless or oyster when travelling through London for this purpose as it's harder to show that the tickets 'join up'.

I recommend using a split ticketing site such as trainsplit where you will get an itinerary which shows evidence of your journey.

One final thing to be aware of is that a minority of staff are poorly trained and like to make up their own rules, so in the event of a dispute I'd pay up, retain evidence of exactly what happened and then make a subsequent complaint to get it sorted (we're always interested to hear about these sort of cases on here).
I would think otherwise.
I would save a copy of the National Rail Journey Planner itinerary and have the Oyster Card app installed on phone.
Oyster / Contactless PAYG in most case is cheaper than a + London U1 ticket or a seperate London Underground paper ticket.

The app would show the journeys I made on the day (with any registered Oyster Card or Contactless Payment), which would be proof of taking the London Underground as a Cross-London journey.
Of course, poorly trained staff is always a problem.
 

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The problem with using Oyster is you cannot buy the ticket in advance of any delays being published
 
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