I know expensive bill for somebody.It’s considerably more than 800m and it didn’t ‘fall down’.
I know expensive bill for somebody.It’s considerably more than 800m and it didn’t ‘fall down’.
Some of it is, some of it isn't. As for the video from Kearney, give it a few days!Isn’t that the new bit they’ve just redone?
Looks like Nexus ran another absolutely masterclass in how not to manage a crisis again. Information was incredibly poor this morning and has continued all day. Has Kearney done a video apologising yet?
As soon as the first pan gets tangled the second pan is doomed. These things happen from time to time for varying reasons. Sometimes it’s down to external influences, sometimes it’s down to the tension in the wires being too weak, sometimes it’s down to a faulty pantograph.One has to question how the first train of the day can loose two pans when the line was perfectly fine the night before. Was there some external influence overnight?
And sometimes it’s a mixture with the driver not realising what’s going on behind themAs soon as the first pan gets tangled the second pan is doomed. These things happen from time to time for varying reasons. Sometimes it’s down to external influences, sometimes it’s down to the tension in the wires being too weak, sometimes it’s down to a faulty pantograph.
Perfectly timed, in my opinion, the infrastructure is falling apart, whether it be new infra, or old infra. Management forcing things to happen to keep the railway running, Haymarket, for example, should be closed, Monument should be closed - I was stunned to go through Monument and find people directed via platforms 3/4 and the stairs to get to 1/2 due to the escalators being broken down to 1/2. Why was the station open and not closed (or exit only), and the two revenue staff appeared wholly out of their depth trying to organise it all - not their fault it’s likely they were told to keep it open and if they’re new, which all the revenue staff seem to be, they’re not going to want to pushback and say no it’s unsafe.There's never a good time for this to happen but with a Newcastle home game, half term and Go North East once again struggling with reliability - a perfect storm, and all on the weekend where there's a price rise.
Let them start repairing it, he’ll go on a site visit and then give an ‘update’, where he’ll ‘apologise’ for the disruption and thank everyone for their patience.Has Kearney done a video apologising yet?
Haymarket should have been closed a long time ago and stayed closed until all three escalators were replaced. As for Monument, directing passengers via P3/4 to access P1/2 is only permitted for an emergency evacuation, if you see it happening at any other time it should be reported, if Nexus ignore it go straight to the ORR, I know they don't normally take reports from the public but as they've already got Nexus on close monitoring for underground stations compliance it could be worth a go.Perfectly timed, in my opinion, the infrastructure is falling apart, whether it be new infra, or old infra. Management forcing things to happen to keep the railway running, Haymarket, for example, should be closed, Monument should be closed - I was stunned to go through Monument and find people directed via platforms 3/4 and the stairs to get to 1/2 due to the escalators being broken down to 1/2. Why was the station open and not closed (or exit only), and the two revenue staff appeared wholly out of their depth trying to organise it all - not their fault it’s likely they were told to keep it open and if they’re new, which all the revenue staff seem to be, they’re not going to want to pushback and say no it’s unsafe.
It’s a total lack of competent management at all levels of the business and it’s only a matter of time before something seriously goes wrong.
Haymarket should have been closed a long time ago and stayed closed until all three escalators were replaced. As for Monument, directing passengers via P3/4 to access P1/2 is only permitted for an emergency evacuation, if you see it happening at any other time it should be reported, if Nexus ignore it go straight to the ORR, I know they don't normally take reports from the public but as they've already got Nexus on close monitoring for underground stations compliance it could be worth a go.
they've already got Nexus on close monitoring for underground stations compliance it could be worth a go.
Haymarket had escalators with questionable safety. Just to give one example with two of the old escalators the plates over the escalator machinery at the bottom of the escalator would visibly wobble whenever someone heavy (such as myself) stepped on it, something you have to do to get on or off the escalator. If not rectified it could lead to someone falling into the escalator machinery and being killed, as happened in China a few years ago. Nexus have been aware of the issue for several years. Haymarket station should have been closed, with the escalators switched off and only available for use as emergency evacuation staircases.To be fair I think Haymarket was exit only at that point so your basically saying instead of using a less than ideal situation and keeping the station open, shut the station and have both Monument and Haymarket passengers head towards central station?
I mean maybe some health and safety jobsworths would have a panic attack but for the vast majority the risk is low especially if passengers are directed via platform 4 where barely anyone is waiting for a train there.
To be honest I probably shouldn’t even have said what I already have. There have been issues in the past, that’s all I can say.Are you able to elaborate on this at all? I'm curious as to what other issues there have been at the underground stations.
A public forum is not the place for this, however, there have been incidents, including a fatal incident at an underground station that wasn’t spotted for hours. These are under investigation by the ORR, and RAIB were/are also involved. Not much more can really be said publicly or whilst it’s under investigation.Are you able to elaborate on this at all? I'm curious as to what other issues there have been at the underground stations.
It’s been reported, I also have a copy of my report should Nexus choose to ‘lose’ it - something I would advise anyone raising or logging safety incidents should do.Haymarket should have been closed a long time ago and stayed closed until all three escalators were replaced. As for Monument, directing passengers via P3/4 to access P1/2 is only permitted for an emergency evacuation, if you see it happening at any other time it should be reported, if Nexus ignore it go straight to the ORR, I know they don't normally take reports from the public but as they've already got Nexus on close monitoring for underground stations compliance it could be worth a go.
Ultimately yes, that is what should happen, direct people to Jesmond, or Central.To be fair I think Haymarket was exit only at that point so your basically saying instead of using a less than ideal situation and keeping the station open, shut the station and have both Monument and Haymarket passengers head towards central station?
I mean maybe some health and safety jobsworths would have a panic attack but for the vast majority the risk is low especially if passengers are directed via platform 4 where barely anyone is waiting for a train there.
Staff should be good at implementing crowd control with immediate notice. So whilst yes Central would busier, it should still be able to handle the numbers, as people will arrive more spread out, some will change their travel plans, some will go to Jesmond etc. If platforms where to become too busy and unsafe, then crowd control would be implemented with passengers held at the gateline or outside the station.If you have passenger loadings from both Haymarket and Monument heading to Central(Jesmond would be a canny walk to get too) then I would highly imagine there will be far too many people. Whether it's right on a safety level is debatable but it's alot less inconvience than shutting 2 city centre stations completely.
The evacuation should have been planned and carried out under staff supervision with staff guiding people the length of the walk. If this didn’t happen then can you please let me know, happy for you to DM with any images (images will show the track walk, and should show staff).On another forum I read the following was posted, surely this can’t actually be the case? If it is, very worrying indeed…
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one of the lads came into work about 2 hours late, was on the metro from shields to heworth and heard a massive bang on the roof and the metro stopped. they were all told to get off and when he looked the thing that connects the carriage to the power cables had snapped off. all the passengers had to walk along the tracks about a mile to pelaw metro station and climb onto the platform. he showed me the pictures of them all walking along the tracks. he said the drive stayed with the train so the passengers were just out there on their own mooching down the track in a massive group
and his monthly pass is going up by 13% as of tomorrow ”
Post #37
Metro off - possibly all day
I get that mate, I didn’t mean full time. Just maybe a strike day where the customers refuse to use it pipe dream. They’ll probably be down for maintenance when the strikes happens so no skin off their noseswww.readytogo.net
Staff should be good at implementing crowd control with immediate notice. So whilst yes Central would busier, it should still be able to handle the numbers, as people will arrive more spread out, some will change their travel plans, some will go to Jesmond etc. If platforms where to become too busy and unsafe, then crowd control would be implemented with passengers held at the gateline or outside the station.
Inconvenience doesn’t overcome safety, as much as Metro and Nexus might think it does. The easiest solution is for things to be maintained and looked after properly, adequate training to be provided, and empower the staff on the frontline to make those decisions and not make them feel like they’ll get sacked if they do, or if they speak out.
The evacuation should have been planned and carried out under staff supervision with staff guiding people the length of the walk. If this didn’t happen then can you please let me know, happy for you to DM with any images (images will show the track walk, and should show staff).
At no point should this have been an unplanned evacuation/track walk, the safest place to remain was inside the train.
All I’ll add to this is that with some of the things that have happened, had this been a heritage railway rather than a public transport operation a prohibition notice would likely have been issued by now.A public forum is not the place for this, however, there have been incidents, including a fatal incident at an underground station that wasn’t spotted for hours. These are under investigation by the ORR, and RAIB were/are also involved. Not much more can really be said publicly or whilst it’s under investigation.
Safety has to come first. If Central subsequently became overcrowded crowd control measures would have to be implemented. If that still didn’t resolve matters closure would be the only option. Not convenient for anyone but safety is more important.If you have passenger loadings from both Haymarket and Monument heading to Central(Jesmond would be a canny walk to get too) then I would highly imagine there will be far too many people. Whether it's right on a safety level is debatable but it's alot less inconvience than shutting 2 city centre stations completely.
The escalators at Haymarket are the originals from 1980 albeit modernised. One escalator has just been replaced, and a second is now being replaced. The third will follow later in the year.The escalators at Haymarket are different to the rest of the system as they are not the eco ones and are slightly older as they were done during the rebuild, I got to say they did sounded rough the last time I was there. Definitely may have to consider some sort of escalator replacement programme even though in theory they should not be anywhere near life expired.
4006 and 4088. They’ll be out of service for a while but unless there’s any major fault with them they’ll eventually get new pantographs and return to service.Going back to the OHL incident, anyone know which units were involved? And it be interesting if they get new pantographs or just get withdrawn.
The numbers suggest when 555005 does arrive, 2 metrocars should be leaving the system if Nexus are still doing their 1 in and 2 out scenario.
If this is true it needs reporting. It’s a major safety breach.On another forum I read the following was posted, surely this can’t actually be the case? If it is, very worrying indeed…
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one of the lads came into work about 2 hours late, was on the metro from shields to heworth and heard a massive bang on the roof and the metro stopped. they were all told to get off and when he looked the thing that connects the carriage to the power cables had snapped off. all the passengers had to walk along the tracks about a mile to pelaw metro station and climb onto the platform. he showed me the pictures of them all walking along the tracks. he said the drive stayed with the train so the passengers were just out there on their own mooching down the track in a massive group
and his monthly pass is going up by 13% as of tomorrow ”
Post #37
Metro off - possibly all day
I get that mate, I didn’t mean full time. Just maybe a strike day where the customers refuse to use it pipe dream. They’ll probably be down for maintenance when the strikes happens so no skin off their noseswww.readytogo.net
Indeed that’s what should be happening. Instead they don’t even give staff up to date information. There’ve been multiple occasions where I’ve chosen to stay on the station to pass on service info from Metro Twitter to customer service staff, as nobody from control will tell them what’s happening. It shouldn’t be my job as a passenger to do this.Inconvenience doesn’t overcome safety, as much as Metro and Nexus might think it does. The easiest solution is for things to be maintained and looked after properly, adequate training to be provided, and empower the staff on the frontline to make those decisions and not make them feel like they’ll get sacked if they do, or if they speak out.
I wasn’t there but this sounds to me like a Lewisham style self evacuation. Still not good and definitely needs to be reported but it’s a different situation entirely to staff instructing passengers to walk along the line with damaged OHLE for over 500m without supervision.The evacuation should have been planned and carried out under staff supervision with staff guiding people the length of the walk. If this didn’t happen then can you please let me know, happy for you to DM with any images (images will show the track walk, and should show staff).
At no point should this have been an unplanned evacuation/track walk, the safest place to remain was inside the train.
The HST powercars were due to arrive tonight with the next of the 555s, obviously that now won’t be happening. 555005 is now at Tyne Yard and is staying there until further notice. Whether the HST powercars stay with it or not remains to be seen.Also hearing there are HST power cars trapped on the branch due to these issues? Anyone know where they are if true? Looks like an expensive bill to someone…
Cost probably. Many components were replaced but it wasn’t a complete replacement.Was there a reason the Haymarket escalators weren’t fully replaced during the Haymarket Hub rebuild?
Was there a reason the Haymarket escalators weren’t fully replaced during the Haymarket Hub rebuild?
Cost probably. Many components were replaced but it wasn’t a complete replacement.
This simply isn’t true. They were brand new when installed. You’d also have a hard job with the middle escalator being the same considering it used to be a, very long and steep, stair caseCost probably. Many components were replaced but it wasn’t a complete replacement.
TFL look after their infrastructure much better than Nexus do, and (Bakerloo line aside) are much better than Nexus at recognising when stuff is life expired. Take the B90s/B92s on the DLR for example which TFL are replacing at the end of their design life and not making the same mistake Nexus did with the Metrocars.LUL is operating refurbished lift and escalator equipment of a similar, or older, age. The kit has a lifespan similar to that of train, so provided it is being maintained appropriately there isn’t an issue with it simply because it’s old.
You’re absolutely right I’m getting my stations muddled up, it’s Park Lane that retains its original escalators, and of course those are only 20 years old not 40. I knew it was one of the two that hadn’t had new escalators!This simply isn’t true. They were brand new when installed. You’d also have a hard job with the middle escalator being the same considering it used to be a, very long and steep, stair case
4006 and 4088. They’ll be out of service for a while but unless there’s any major fault with them they’ll eventually get new pantographs and return to service.
I’d take that with a pinch of salt being 3rd hand info at this point. Also passengers wouldn’t need to “climb” onto the platform at Pelaw as like the rest, it has a ramp at the end.On another forum I read the following was posted, surely this can’t actually be the case? If it is, very worrying indeed…
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one of the lads came into work about 2 hours late, was on the metro from shields to heworth and heard a massive bang on the roof and the metro stopped. they were all told to get off and when he looked the thing that connects the carriage to the power cables had snapped off. all the passengers had to walk along the tracks about a mile to pelaw metro station and climb onto the platform. he showed me the pictures of them all walking along the tracks. he said the drive stayed with the train so the passengers were just out there on their own mooching down the track in a massive group
and his monthly pass is going up by 13% as of tomorrow ”
Post #37
Metro off - possibly all day
I get that mate, I didn’t mean full time. Just maybe a strike day where the customers refuse to use it pipe dream. They’ll probably be down for maintenance when the strikes happens so no skin off their noseswww.readytogo.net
If they say a week and they restore service in four days then it's a publicity win for Nexus. There may be a bit of spin going on. Of course it's all subject to them being able to source replacement parts. There were delays sourcing contact wire for previous projects, as unlike the mainline they can't use cadmium copper for contact wire.New paths in for 555005 to move to Pelaw on Monday, arriving at 00:15 Tuesday morning. With Nexus saying the line closure will last roughly a week now, surely this move can't be running?
Realtime Trains | 7Q57 2355 Tyne S.S. to Pelaw Goods Loops | 03/04/2023
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They expect it to be fixed by Tuesday, possibly Monday late afternoon but the pr is just early next week.New paths in for 555005 to move to Pelaw on Monday, arriving at 00:15 Tuesday morning. With Nexus saying the line closure will last roughly a week now, surely this move can't be running?
Realtime Trains | 7Q57 2355 Tyne S.S. to Pelaw Goods Loops | 03/04/2023
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