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UK General Election 2024: The Results & Aftermath

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Gooner18

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I am not sure where you get your votes figures from

In 2019 Labour got 10,269,051 votes
In 2024 Labour got 9,698,409 votes (before last seat is declared)

Thats not a 2% increase, that is a cut in votes.
I can’t remember the site I was reading it from, however your figures confirm it was not a good turn out for Labour and indeed imo reinforces the need to get rid of the FTTP set up
 
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I can’t remember the site I was reading it from, however your figures confirm it was not a good turn out for Labour and indeed imo reinforces the need to get rid of the FTTP set up
Possibly a reference to the share of the vote, rather than the actual? Mind you, today's i newspaper stated the Labour vote was 2% up.
 

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Unfortunately I can see Reform being in government if Labour fail in this 5 year term
Absolutely no chance. Reform UK Party Ltd has ridden a wave of disillusion and xenophobia created by the last five years of divisive hatred and scaremongering by the likes of Patel, Johnson and Braverman. Fringe right wing parties have always won a few seats and they're just another vehicle for Farage to publicise and enrich himself and destabilise UK politics. Tice too seems to care very much about immigration and Brexit. I won't speculate why or who backs them to do this.

Next election, hung Parliament between Lab and Con at worst. Reform Ltd may not even exist by then.

I think five years of sober, dignified and competent government will soften this antipathy towards politics in general and the need for protest votes. It's exactly what the Tories wanted... to encourage the view that "they're all as bad as each other" that I keep hearing, so that they could behave as despicably as they liked with impunity. It mostly worked.
 
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See how we go in a few months, will Farage head off to help Trump in the US or stay in Clacton to handle his constituent's queries about planning applications and anti-social behaviour outside Tesco?
 

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I can't see Farage willing to help constituents, with benefit issues or disability issues as an example.
 

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They should give up, but they won't; Treating the General Election as a de facto Independence Referendum (copyright N.Sturgeon) is for them only a thing when it returns the correct outcome.
My perception (fwiw) ... the SNP are finished; they've lost the audience and the brand is tainted beyond redemption. I anticipate much fragmentation, in-fighting (some very public) and whistleblowing to come, and major financial problems for them. Given time though another independence party will coalesce from the shrapnel and set up shop, but it won't be the SNP.
 

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I've had enough of this lot already. Starmer didn't accept Brexit result so i don't accept this one... The sooner Suella is named leader of the opposition the better. I can't take five years of these lunatics in charge of the country!!
 

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I can't see Farage willing to help constituents, with benefit issues or disability issues as an example.
Being an MP is hard work, done properly. He's never really wanted to be an MP. MEP suited him well, part time job with a chunky expense account. A peerage is his dream. I read somewhere this week that "a peerage is all he's ever wanted" and that of Cameron had given him one on 2010, we'd still be in the EU
 

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Well yes, they obtained a majority by ensuring they poured all their resources into swing seats to convince those to turn away from the Conservatives, as I now restate.

Parties are there to obtain power under our system, not to convince voters whose votes are unlikely to be decisive so people online can meaninglessly crow about vote shares.

Labour in 2024 have 411 seats and form the government with a commanding majority. In 2019 they got fewer than half that number of seats, having lost to a bloviating dullard playing out a World King fantasy, subjecting the country to another five years of Conservative rule.

If you do not think that is a good result then that is up to you I guess.
They only got in because the Tory vote collapsed and was split by reform.

If the Tory party rebuilds itself and elects a credible leader, the next election will be very difficult for Labour to win. Especially if the left wing element of the Labour becomes too loud
 

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I've had enough of this lot already. Starmer didn't accept Brexit result so i don't accept this one... The sooner Suella is named leader of the opposition the better. I can't take five years of these lunatics in charge of the country!!
It doesn't really matter whether the Tories get a lunatic in as leader or not - you're getting 5 years of this government either way. If you don't like it I guess you can move to one of 26 other EU countries and try your luck there... Oh, wait
 

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I've had enough of this lot already. Starmer didn't accept Brexit result so i don't accept this one... The sooner Suella is named leader of the opposition the better. I can't take five years of these lunatics in charge of the country!!
Well before it was enacted, polls showed that the "will of the people" had changed to remaining in the EU. So Starmer was just reflecting that in trying to get a second referendum.
 

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I've had enough of this lot already. Starmer didn't accept Brexit result so i don't accept this one... The sooner Suella is named leader of the opposition the better. I can't take five years of these lunatics in charge of the country!!
I too would like to see her as the new Tory leader, it guarantees another Labour win in 5 years time.
 

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I am not sure where you get your votes figures from

In 2019 Labour got 10,269,051 votes
In 2024 Labour got 9,698,409 votes (before last seat is declared)

Thats not a 2% increase, that is a cut in votes.
Remember there was a fairly large drop in turnout, so the actual numbers will be lower. Proportionally, Labour were 2% up, but, as AlterEgo has said above, this is a red (sorry) herring.
 

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My perception (fwiw) ... the SNP are finished; they've lost the audience and the brand is tainted beyond redemption. I anticipate much fragmentation, in-fighting (some very public) and whistleblowing to come, and major financial problems for them. Given time though another independence party will coalesce from the shrapnel and set up shop, but it won't be the SNP.
A high % of Scots want independence, the SNP is the most realistic party for this demographic of voters. The Scottish Greens always pick up seats in the Scottish Parliament but don't gain any seats in Westminster and Alba lost all of their deposits this year and hasn’t had any of their candidates elected as a MSP (their sole MSP is a defection from the SNP.) This means the SNP is safe, for now, and will always have support from this demographic until someone like Alba or the Scottish Greens becomes a realistic force to achieve independence.
 

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I've had enough of this lot already. Starmer didn't accept Brexit result so i don't accept this one... The sooner Suella is named leader of the opposition the better. I can't take five years of these lunatics in charge of the country!!
I was trying to avoid discussing Brexit here, but seeing as you have brought it up, someone has looked back and checked, and all the new Labour cabinet were remainers
 
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I was trying to avoid discussing Brexit here, but seeing as you have brought it up, someone has looked back and checked, and all the new Labour cabinet were remainders.
Well, Johnson stuffed his cabinet with Brexiteers, and we've seen how well that worked out. Trying the opposite may be no bad thing?
 

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Well yes, they obtained a majority by ensuring they poured all their resources into swing seats to convince those to turn away from the Conservatives, as I now restate.
How did Labour convince voters to turn away from Conservatives to Reform?
 

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I was trying to avoid discussing Brexit here, but seeing as you have brought it up, someone has looked back and checked, and all the new Labour cabinet were remainders.
WERE remainers.. Has someone been sacked already?
 

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Were it not for the two seats in the Scottish borders' region and one in West Devon remaining Tory, Land's End to John O'Groats would have been possible without going through a Tory seat (going via Wales).
 

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I have tried google but am struggling. What is the safest Conservative seat in the country now please?

At a glance it could be Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner. Some seem to have similar margins though so I could be wrong.
 

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Were it not for the two seats in the Scottish borders' region and one in West Devon remaining Tory, Land's End to John O'Groats would have been possible without going through a Tory seat (going via Wales).

You still have the problem that you can't cross Devon without passing through at least one Tory constituency.
 

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At a glance it could be Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner. Some seem to have similar margins though so I could be wrong.

Does anyone know of anywhere online where the full results are available in computer-readable format (such as XML or JSON, or even just as one big Excel spreadsheet)? If they are available somewhere, then I imagine it wouldn't take one of the programmers amongst us long to find out the actual answer.
 

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At a glance it could be Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner. Some seem to have similar margins though so I could be wrong.
Rishi Sunak's seat of Richmond and Northallerton looks to be their largest majority to me. 25% in share and 12,185 in votes to 2nd place.
 

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I have tried google but am struggling. What is the safest Conservative seat in the country now please?
It's a certain Richmond and Northallerton with 12185.

This is all the conservative majorities over 10000:

name​
result 2019​
majority 2019 %​
result 2024​
majority 2024​
majority 2024 %​
turnout_2024​
turnout 2024 %​
Richmond & Northallerton​
CON​
46.9​
CON​
12185​
25.11​
48526​
65.68​
Arundel & South Downs​
CON​
41.49​
CON​
12134​
22.17​
54740​
70.21​
Harrow East​
CON​
17.19​
CON​
11680​
24.45​
47777​
62.55​
Tonbridge​
CON​
49.68​
CON​
11166​
22.19​
50328​
70.46​
Rutland & Stamford​
CON​
47.49​
CON​
10394​
21.4​
48577​
67.74​

(results compiled from https://ig.ft.com/uk-general-election/2024/results, although I'm afraid I had to pull the source data and convert it from json to actually query it in any useful way)
 

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What is the background to the Greens being able to get enough interest in Waveney Valley and North Herefordshire to take those seats. If it can happen in these two, then what is the secret to getting it to happen elsewhere.

At some point, the Labour Party is going to need to embrace a much more green agenda to protect its vote on the left.
Anecdotally the rural Green vote is more old school Tories (who often like conservation and clean rivers) and the urban one more from voters to the left of Starmer. So the two seats you mentioned are not the same as their other two in Bristol and Brighton.

No they didn't. That's a result of pouring all the resources into tight marginals instead of shoring up safe seats.

It was an excellent result for Labour and anyone who thinks they did badly doesn't really understand how FPTP elections work or the outcomes they produce.
Labour's seat targeting was very rigid in terms of how much campaigning was allowed where - my local candidate was obliged to spend some time helping in swing seats. It caused some friction with activists in 'long shot' seats but ultimately paid off.
 

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I can't see Farage willing to help constituents, with benefit issues or disability issues as an example.

Standby for Clacton having one of the highest office staffing bills in the country, because the MP will do nothing himself and everything that’s done will have to be paid for by us
 

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Were remainers at the time of the referendum. You can't really be a remainer in the present tense.
Don't make much sense thinking about it. Been on a sash bash in Glasgow. All Brexiteers, all very blue and in the crazy way that politics are in this country all very glad to have a Labour Party in power up there..
 
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