GRALISTAIR
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This parliament possibly but not 2025 as per thread title.
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UK rail in 2025 - your predictions
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The result of people trying that will be gridlock. Robotaxis aren't mass transit.
Is it possible to short-form those services any more than they are already? The afternoon peak services (booked five cars) were both single sets today, and that's happening a lot. Outside of the commuter peaks everything is 50/50 between two and three car sets.
Nottingham59
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No they aren't. But they can act as concentrators to bring people to the train or bus rapid tranist stations, which can be spaced further apart, making the mass transit part of the system more efficient.
And avoid the need to provide late night or early morning services on the mass transit line, making maintenance easier and cheaper.
Church Fenton will be made to sound like the end of a strategic route, hundreds of miles from York. On several occasions.The Transpennine Route Upgrade will be re-announced, possibly twice.
Ditto Stalybridge and Manchester.
Stockport and Stalybridge will attract ghost train hunters on daytime TV. (Television channels for working people will still ignore it.)
778
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If that happened would that be the end of outboundary travelcards and maybe the Network Railcard as well?
I would hope that Didcot - Oxford gets approved for electrification in 2025.
I find the idea that passengers will choose a payment method due to convenience, over discounts quite unlikely
Bletchleyite
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There's a distinct possibility of that but I would be surprised if it happened in 2025.
Don't I recall you (like me) prefer walk up tickets? That's choosing a payment method due to convenience over discounts, essentially.
True, but walk-up tickets deliver flexibility, which is something I prize.
Bletchleyite
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And others prize being able to tap in and tap out without having to buy a ticket. It's another kind of flexibility.
But I suspect that more passengers prize being able to get an equivalent ticket for less money, which is also a type of flexibility.
A couple of minutes saving at the ticket office isn't comparable to being able to come back when you want.
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778
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Would you expect evening restictrictions on outboundary travelcards in 2025?
I am surprised it did not happen this year.
warwickshire
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1.Class 379, will make a Slow entry into service with GTR, but will encounter some issues on the way.
2. Meridians also go to Scotrail, but will get announced later on when Scotrail realises, that Gwr Hst sets have gone,
So time to replace theirs.
3. Mk5 to Chiltern eventually, but probably will not see, a train in public service though,
But enough to see them on Test.
However might just get a odd one around December 2025, but not guaranteed by any means, but even so will the Mk5 on Chiltern as 2025, draws to a end, in a year's time,
Possibly end up like another mid eighties .
Advanced Passenger Train. APT disaster story???
However my predictions for 2025.
Warwickshire.
2. Meridians also go to Scotrail, but will get announced later on when Scotrail realises, that Gwr Hst sets have gone,
So time to replace theirs.
3. Mk5 to Chiltern eventually, but probably will not see, a train in public service though,
But enough to see them on Test.
However might just get a odd one around December 2025, but not guaranteed by any means, but even so will the Mk5 on Chiltern as 2025, draws to a end, in a year's time,
Possibly end up like another mid eighties .
Advanced Passenger Train. APT disaster story???
However my predictions for 2025.
Warwickshire.
TT-ONR-NRN
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It’s an awkward one because although they’re desperately short of 745s, they’ve got more 755s than they need. But those 755s aren’t suitable for Intercity. So it’s a tricky one.
Bletchleyite
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Only if TfL decides they want that. It's a bit complicated otherwise, though a few do exist with evening restrictions on the outboundary bit.
778
Member
The 755s could take over the Stanstead Express services. Maybe there could be a new sub class of 720s with more luggage room and 2+2 seating?
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dk1
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Why when there are nowhere near enough 755s and a sub class of 720s the same as everything else on the WAML would be the common sense approach? They can only be maintained at Norwich for a start and what a massive waste of their bimodal capability.
There are too many 720s at GA too making this even more the way to go.
778
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Sorry, I meant 720s not 755s.
dk1
Veteran Member
Phew!!! So many have been saying this all along. No idea why the DfT are so slow on the idea.
This is why Greater Anglia won't be getting more new trains in 2025.
Unfortunately the class 720 interior is totally unsuited for the Stansted Express.
Yes, DfT are "slow on the idea" for a class 720 interior rebuild with 2+2 seating and space for luggage. That's because it costs money.
I can't see it happening in 2025.
Sutton in Ant
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If I had a prediction is that SouthEastern railway will be ordering 640 new carriages and the tender will be awarded to Stadler and Alstom to build the new trains.
Blindtraveler
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Predictions for next year
Great! British railways will be delayed, scaled back or completely binned off altogether due to cost and complexity and this new government that we have looking for ways to either make itself popular or simply do some damage limitation given how well it's going for them at the moment
The costs of building hs2 into Central London jump again and the idea is abandoned indefinitely along with any future extensions
In Scotland, reliability of the HST fleet becomes so bad that despite the replacements not yet being delivered, the decision is taken to withdraw them completely and go back to multiple unit operation on a much reduced into city service there for handing the media, yet another stick to whack the SNP government with and handing passengers to the increasingly jubilant coach companies running the trunk roots on a plate
In a desperate bid to make it look like they're actually bothering to improve something on Scotland's network, they announce the order for new stock for the West Highland and Glasgow and southwestern roots effectively. Consigning the 156 fleet to the bin from approximately late 2027 this order will use all the money in the bank and therefore require a life extension program to be once again looked at for the strathcly electric fleet
Southeastern replace the network of fleet but also to replace the 375 fleet on the longer distance work and reconfigure it internally for metro and camuto work and giving the new trains to the often high fair paying longer distance services
Industrial relations go from pretty rotten to absolutely diabolical
Network rail finally see sense and reintroduce charges for station toilets due to the extremely heavy usage when offered for free. Meaning that they are having to refurbish them so frequently that it's a bottomless money pit and in so doing reduce crime and antisocial behaviour
New Piccadilly line stock rolls into service with hardly any problems and the mayor of London finds some spare money down the back of his sofa to order a similar design for the bakerloo line fleet to start. January of 2030
Lnr gets a new management team after a scandal engulfs the current one and immediately rolls back on things like it's fairs, trial and further cuts to onboard service such as first class catering and experiments with a proper restaurant service for first and standard class passengers on a couple of morning and evening services between Scotland and London
Announcement of complete escalator replacement of all units at Edinburgh Waverly is made to start immediately in a rolling program taking approximately 4 years
Great! British railways will be delayed, scaled back or completely binned off altogether due to cost and complexity and this new government that we have looking for ways to either make itself popular or simply do some damage limitation given how well it's going for them at the moment
The costs of building hs2 into Central London jump again and the idea is abandoned indefinitely along with any future extensions
In Scotland, reliability of the HST fleet becomes so bad that despite the replacements not yet being delivered, the decision is taken to withdraw them completely and go back to multiple unit operation on a much reduced into city service there for handing the media, yet another stick to whack the SNP government with and handing passengers to the increasingly jubilant coach companies running the trunk roots on a plate
In a desperate bid to make it look like they're actually bothering to improve something on Scotland's network, they announce the order for new stock for the West Highland and Glasgow and southwestern roots effectively. Consigning the 156 fleet to the bin from approximately late 2027 this order will use all the money in the bank and therefore require a life extension program to be once again looked at for the strathcly electric fleet
Southeastern replace the network of fleet but also to replace the 375 fleet on the longer distance work and reconfigure it internally for metro and camuto work and giving the new trains to the often high fair paying longer distance services
Industrial relations go from pretty rotten to absolutely diabolical
Network rail finally see sense and reintroduce charges for station toilets due to the extremely heavy usage when offered for free. Meaning that they are having to refurbish them so frequently that it's a bottomless money pit and in so doing reduce crime and antisocial behaviour
New Piccadilly line stock rolls into service with hardly any problems and the mayor of London finds some spare money down the back of his sofa to order a similar design for the bakerloo line fleet to start. January of 2030
Lnr gets a new management team after a scandal engulfs the current one and immediately rolls back on things like it's fairs, trial and further cuts to onboard service such as first class catering and experiments with a proper restaurant service for first and standard class passengers on a couple of morning and evening services between Scotland and London
Announcement of complete escalator replacement of all units at Edinburgh Waverly is made to start immediately in a rolling program taking approximately 4 years
dk1
Veteran Member
You never know. They may wake up to the sensible option and stop being so tight fisted lol.
After all a year ago they realised what a money spinner the StanEx is and willingly agreed to go back to a 7 days a week 15min interval service.
Belfastmarty
Member
Same prediction as last year - we'll find out what the 93s will be used for.
Second prediction - class 99 will see revenue use before class 93.
Second prediction - class 99 will see revenue use before class 93.
signed
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I am quite sure that this is not what the users want.
If someone get a Uber or other, it's either to get a form of long-distance transport or go point-to-point inside the city.
This is marketdly different to a bus which for most has that feeder role, as most people won't do point-to-point on a regular bus, and is used as such.
And I don't think taxi/Uber/al. companies would be this interested into loosing the sweet cross-city surge pricing rides. Robotaxis will just displace those and will never be a local transport feeder.
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Falcon1200
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That will surely happen once Oxford station reconstruction is complete.... but that won't be in 2025!
One of the advantages of the detailed ORR data on station usage has been to demonstrate what huge business Stansted Express is.
But I can't see this happening in 2025. Already there to be dealt with in 2025 are the upheaval of Greater Anglia coming into public ownership and the Cambridge South/Beaulieu Park new stations.
Let's come back in a year's time when we do the 2026 predictions!
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