*UPDATED* Idea Greater Bristol area redraw

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  1. THarris123

    THarris123 Established Member

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    Where will the money come from to build the other 2 (i.e. the one at Patchway and Whitchurch)? Admittedly a Park and Ride at Whitchurch would be very beneficial, but it would have an impact on the loadings on 376 and also have an impact on the number of people that use Brislington Park and Ride (as quite a few from Chew Valley, etc use Brislington at the moment). Patchway might actually work, but both will cost a lot of money to bring in. Perhaps the Metrobus money should have been used this way.
     
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    The reason the current site are popular is because they are on arterial routes into Bristol with more or less a bus lane or all the way from the site to the centre of Bristol allowing journey to be ~20 minutes. That's something I find hard to see achievable, bar Lyde Green once Metrobus is running, from the other sites mentioned and from locations such as Warmley and Willsbridge (can take an hour in peak to make it into Bristol on current services, granted they are stopping services)

    A site on the old car park 20 across the from UWE on the other hand could prove popular, the car park is already in situ, its a large car park, has 2+ lanes from the M32 and a new metrobus junction down the road, and would provide quick access to the city centre by bus. If only!
     
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    I'd aim for the same kind of trip times at the Severn Express, the one trip a day that travels UP Gloucester Road, takes 25 mins (From Bus Station to Filton Airfield)

    Where a 75 at the same time, takes 35 mins (From Haymarket to Filton Airfield)

    Which means the Severn Express is about 28% faster.

    Lets compare to Long Ashton, in the morning rush hour. X1 takes around 12 mins from the Park & Ride to The Centre the 903 takes 10 mins! So the 903 saves around 17%. That's before you take into account the minute that metrobus might save IF they are lucky.

    So I think it could work
     
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    M5 Junction 14 - City Centre Driving

    Via M32 - 22 mins
    Via A38 (Coming off at J16) - 34 mins

    M5 Junction 14 - City Centre (Via U.W.E CP20 P&R)

    36 mins (Assuming a bus was waiting) - 163% of driving time

    M5 Junction 14 - City Centre (Via Patchway P&R)

    41 mins (Assuming a bus was waiting) - 120% of driving time
     
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    So when are you going to suggest this to the new metro mayor and council? When are you going to start contributing to the building of these sites, both financially and through construction?
     
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    Isn't the old car park 20 being used for building flats?
     
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    Aside from financing etc, here's my take.

    The park and ride concept works on providing a strategic location on arterial routes allied to fast links into the centre, thus negating the onward time penalty of changing.

    The Whitchurch proposal is arguably the weakest as there is a natural bottleneck in Whitchurch Village. There is also the issue of a relative lack of bus priority and the delays at the Airport Road junction especially. In fact, it would arguably be better if some money was spent to upgrade Scotland Lane so it doesn't flood and has passing places so that traffic can reach Briz P&R; it's what I do when heading for P&R though more traffic down Stockwood Lane might not be popular. For people from Chew Valley, it is arguably now as easy to get to Long Ashton anyway.

    A Northern site would be welcome and I was thinking that the area suggested for Rovers new ground would be sensible given its location to Metrobus and proximity to the M32.

    Lyde Green, to my mind, only works if J18A gets built.
     
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    Yes Lyde Green would only work with junction 18A. It's just Tory Mp wants it to be located right on the A432, which I think is madness, the original proposed location at Lyde Green makes much more sense.
     
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    We shall see what happens with J18A but I think a UWE/Frenchay option would cover the bases better than having two for Patchway and Lyde Green and would feed straight into Metrobus.
     
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    Lyde Green has been all but built, admittedly with only 264 spaces and will be a metrobus route.
     
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    I know Lyde Green is a done deal and it being relatively small indicates it being of limited use.
     
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    True, but there is potential to expand and IF the J18A is built there as originally planned then it would have a purpose and also by that time it would be more established. If you build a junction at the A432, then a park & ride at the M32 surely it's madness!

    You build the junction to take traffic away from the M32 and part of the ring road, but if you put a park & ride there it is encouraging more people to use it again! Admittedly it is different types of traffic but traffic nevertheless!
     
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    Park and Rides are best located by major arterial routes. That's true in Bristol, Bath, Salisbury but York, Chester etc. Not building one near the M32 is the mad thing. The single biggest traffic flow isn't served. As an example, here's the York map showing their six sites are located - note that Askham Bar is relocated and is closer to the A64 https://www.itravelyork.info/park-and-ride/park-and-ride-sites

    What it requires is a strategic location to capture inbound traffic and then a rapid link into the city centre. Lyde Green doesn't do that as it will still have to head to the M32 so adding 4 miles of heading west before it heads to the city. A Harry Stoke location just makes so much more sense.
     
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    The Patchway and lyde green park and ride would cut down traffic between junctions 20 and 18a (if built) arguably one of the most congested bits of road in our region. Where an M32 park and ride would only make it worse, by funneling more drivers along the M4 between junction 20 and 19!

    Surely it would be better to get people off the motorway ASAP and onto buses!
     
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    Hence why Patchway is also a better location than Henbury. Why force drivers coming from the m48 and m5 to stay on the motorway longer and cause more traffic at Cribbs Causeway? Surely getting them off sooner and onto buses is a good idea.
     
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    I'm not sure why you're talking about Henbury?? :?

    Patchway is neither fish nor fowl. You get drivers to come off onto the A38 and travel a couple of miles, but then there is no fast way to the city centre. Gloucester Road is a no go. The route would be to head round on the ring road and then onto the Metrobus route at Frenchay. For that sort of delay, people may as well just head to Portway and get the P&R from there.

    As for "The Patchway and lyde green park and ride would cut down traffic between junctions 20 and 18a (if built) arguably one of the most congested bits of road in our region. Where an M32 park and ride would only make it worse, by funneling more drivers along the M4 between junction 20 and 19!
    Surely it would be better to get people off the motorway ASAP and onto buses!"....

    The real elephant in the room is that J18A is nowhere near being built and won't be for many a long year yet Metrobus starts soon and a P&R could be built at Frenchay very quickly.

    Well who extra is being funnelled? We're just dealing with the same traffic as currently and can you get people out of their cars? You have to attract people who can easily access a site and then have the perception of getting there quicker. From J19 of the M4, it should take about 15 mins with the Metrobus plus 15 mins of faffing getting in etc and getting a bus on the most frequent corridor. That compares well with the current car journey that's c.30-40 mins from J19.

    However, from Lyde Green, you'd have probably a longer wait for a bus (but let's say it's offset by ease of entering the site) so 15 mins and then a 25 min journey into the centre.

    I understand why they're pushing Lyde Green. To be absolutely honest, if I was looking to commute in from that direction on the M4, I'd sneak past the Crem from J18 ;)
     
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    What about Parkway? Admittedly it isn't served by a bus and it's too far from the station, but it's built :lol:
     
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    It's not exactly the easiest place to drive to, it's basically just an additional overflow car park for Parkway, 10 mins down the road!

    Also in reply to tgw there have been lots of talks of a Park & Ride at Henbury, it almost got built 15 years ago, but now the plans for new railway station are taking off they are surfacing again, I just don't see the need (I live by the proposed site, I'd happily have it there, if there was a good reason!
     
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    Henbury would be a daft place but given that it wasn't on your list of proposals, you then mentioning it was rather confusing.

    Parkway is not easy to get to and use for parking but then again, have a P&R at Hambrook/Frenchay and the Metrobus going the other way (to Sadly) can serve Parkway. I'm a member of Nuffield so I just park in the gym car park and wander round ;)
     
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