'VWC and connections' advance ticket

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  1. Carefree

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    Hi. I have an advance ticket from Milton Keynes Central to Blackburn (route 'VWC and connections'. Upon booking, the journey planner gave me a route of Milton Keynes - Stockport - Bolton - Blackburn (with specific services listed).

    The only mandatory reservation that came with it is for the Milton Keynes - Stockport leg. Am I allowed to stay on my Virgin train to Manchester Piccadilly, and make my onward journey from there? Can I catch literally any trains via Bolton to Blackburn, or am I constrained to the next available service after my change? And could I use this ticket to wander on to Victoria, and take a direct service from there to Blackburn?

    Thanks.
     
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  3. jcollins

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    In theory I can't see anything wrong with that as you use the correct train for your reserved leg and don't break your journey except to walk between stations.

    However, you may have a dim G4S person at Piccadilly when you alight the Virgin service who may claim you over travelled on the Virgin service.
     
  4. button_boxer

    button_boxer Established Member

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    You might have issues using reservable connecting trains (which would include the Virgin one between Stockport and Manchester) on which you do not have a reservation. I know the recent "advance fares FAQs" that have been mentioned on here before say you can take earlier connecting services provided they are non-reservable.
     
  5. hairyhandedfool

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    You can use any connecting service that can be shown on a valid travel itinerary because the ticket is routed '& Connections'. Also, via Victoria should be fine. Travelling on the same Virgin service to Piccadilly should be fine, but if you are at all unsure, just have a quick word with the guard onboard.

    I'm not sure that applies to tickets routed 'and Connections because of the conditions of the ticket. Certainly it would be true of other Advance fares.
     
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    It's very unlikely anyone would notice between Stockport and Piccadilly, problems are more likely from a clueless G4S person as noted upthread.

    Of course, anyone knowing Piccadilly would go via the overbridge away from the concourse to the satellite lounge by P13/14 then down in the lift to Fairfield St for Metrolink. Chances of a ticket check that way are virtually nil.

    Not that one would suggest for a minute doing that... ;)
     
  8. bb21

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    Won't be virtually nil any more. ;)
     
  9. snail

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    Ah, but it's G4S we're talking about... :lol:

    I remember when the Fairfield Street exit stairs from P13/14 were still operational that very few ticket checks took place, but when they did lots of people were caught. Can't imagine why.
     
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