In that case, to satisfy that definition could they not clearly label every door in the train “Not for passenger use/Emergency use only” and board/alight all pax via one central door which is locked/unlocked on arrival and departure by the guard?
I know other operators of MK1's have sometimes taken doors out of use to minimise the burden of fitting CDL to every door(and pottentially increase the crashworthiness too) as you suggest.
Or maybe people are just sick of the issue which should have been sorted years ago
Neither.
One thing that gets my goat is someone attempting to gaslight me.
Better analogy would be playground bully runs rings around dithering weak headmaster for years.
Indeed, I should have used a different phrase there! I think it's clear from my other posts my personal opinions on the blame in this case.
Did you read that post before you clicked reply?
To be honest this kind of thing doesn't bother me, it's a forum for rail enthusiasts and staff spouting there opinions, not crown court. I really couldn't give a toss about WCR and there horribly painted diesels, equally I get the impression the ORR is not fit for purpose on this issue, the only issue I'm passionate about is the loss of the Jacobite to the WHL and its implications for businesses who rely on it, we have spent many happy holidays up there. If you don't like me flip flopping around put me on ignore.
It doesn't bother that you are arguing against yourself?
It’s not just me thinking that, then!
In theory each door could be locked with a carriage key but that would probably be ruled out as it would make emergency evacuation rather difficult.
On BREL designs, such as class 150, you don't even need to pull the emergency release. Teenage kids are perfectly capable of pulling them open whilst the train is going at line speed. I have seen them do it! The brakes come on until they let go, the doors slide shut again and brakes release. They did it several times on one journey. The crew thought the 150 was knackered until I pointed out what was going on.
Not on here no.
Locking passengers in (without an emergency release) is not permitted on the main line. Not sure whether this was introduced following Quintinshill or the Taunton Sleeper fire.
How is exactly disagreeing about the need for something but still complying when legally forced bullying? And where exactly have WCRC played the victim, I must have missed that press release
Sorry to jump on this thread, but I’m wondering if WCR committed fraud by selling tickets when it was clearly uncertain if this service would run. I know if I had booked, I would’ve needed to get to Fort William, by rail ( I don’t drive ) I could cancel tickets and get charged a £10 admin fee, but would potentially lose any money paid for a hotel. As I said just wondering. Thanks Phil
Depends how claggy the 156 is!
Good point this , if a teenager can pull open a door like this on a 150 then it is clearly closed rather than locked. CDC rather than CDL is more descriptive of this door design in wide use on the network. Semantics maybe , but WCR have been to court over this and if anyone can make something out of the differentiation between closed and locked its the judicial system. Also the 2005 report describes a railway more of the steam age than what we see now in 2024. I was on Blackburn station a year ago when a 150 departed with the door immediately behind the driver still open, fortunately the guard had his head out at the rear of the unit and i drew his attention to it , the train didnt stop but i assume he closed it. The last point is added for context not to excuse WCR. Finally on WCR it is clear they have very few supporters on here if any, going forward if there is a going forward , they need to be more pro enthusiast maybe looking at developing Carnforth as a visitor attraction and certainly start repainting their diesel fleet. The last point is unrelated to the current issue obviously but going forward they need to start building bridges in my humble opinion.
It was a tourist attraction, Steamtown but I’m sure you knew that already
This talk of what can be acheived by a determined passenger on a train with sliding doors is largely a strawman argument. Unprotected slam doors are not only a hazard to passengers who when leaning against them may fall out, also having opened they are a significant danger to persons standing on platforms and in the case of multi-track sections, (i.e. most of the moin line network), create a serious out-of-gauge issue waiting for a collision with another train.
The way WCRC can be more pro-enthusiast is to have a safety culture that demonstrates Heritage and Excursion railtours can operate perfectly safely as part of the national network timetable. Giving a load of 47s a lick of paint and having a smart museum isn't going to mean very much if they continue to set alarm bells ringing with the safety authorities. I'd hazard a guess that having trains run at proper speeds is what most enthusiasts want to experience, and would happily trade some tatty paintwork and a non-public depot for having mainline heritage running.
