Wellglade Group

[bringiton]

Ah yes. Looks like 265 went off. Mickleover missing 314 due to RTA....Note that some of the Villagers seem to struggle to run to timetable. Think Versa 827 worked the Mickleover. I'd think the allocation of spare vehicles to a depot, might relate to how profitable it is..

269 seemed to be at the depot with its hazards on around 1.30pm. Looked to have had a problem in matlock, appears to have come back and go on villager.

Note that some of the Villagers seem to struggle to run to timetable

I got villager last week and the run down into burton was speedy and kept to time well. The next bus was 30 late and all the passengers at the stop thought it was cancelled, however it was running with another villager. It then pretty much ran not in service leaving the bus behind to pick up all the passengers after burton to try get back on time. Might not of helped that a TM driver was driving, quite an easy route to loose time on especially if new to the route

 

[Trainman40083]

269 seemed to be at the depot with its hazards on around 1.30pm. Looked to have had a problem in matlock, appears to have come back and go on villager.


I got villager last week and the run down into burton was speedy and kept to time well. The next bus was 30 late and all the passengers at the stop thought it was cancelled, however it was running with another villager. It then pretty much ran not in service leaving the bus behind to pick up all the passengers after burton to try get back on time. Might not of helped that a TM driver was driving, quite an easy route to loose time on especially if new to the route

And if you arrive at the level crossing at Tutbury and Hatton at the wrong time, you lose more time.

 

[bringiton]

And if you arrive at the level crossing at Tutbury and Hatton at the wrong time, you lose more time.

Yeah, ive only got stuck their once and it was when the volvos were running, fairly sure we managed to get back on time though

 

[43055]

Ah yes. Looks like 265 went off. Mickleover missing 314 due to RTA....Note that some of the Villagers seem to struggle to run to timetable. Think Versa 827 worked the Mickleover. I'd think the allocation of spare vehicles to a depot, might relate to how profitable it is..

269 seemed to be at the depot with its hazards on around 1.30pm. Looked to have had a problem in matlock, appears to have come back and go on villager.


I got villager last week and the run down into burton was speedy and kept to time well. The next bus was 30 late and all the passengers at the stop thought it was cancelled, however it was running with another villager. It then pretty much ran not in service leaving the bus behind to pick up all the passengers after burton to try get back on time. Might not of helped that a TM driver was driving, quite an easy route to loose time on especially if new to the route

I find that when the schools are in the villager generally looses time. Mostly I get the 1645 from Derby which on the inbound trip gets to the sixth form at Burton town hall at kick out time but there is no additional time for this so looses time coming out of Burton. A few years back the 1515 from Derby was at 1505 and had an additional 10 mins to go from Etwall to Hilton for the John Port Students but this is not the case now. Two weeks ago everything was more or less running to time when the schools were off and the same goes for Saturdays and Sundays.

 

[Skymonster]

While I accept that they have been somewhat unreliable at times, I am disappointed that the current Red Arrow fleet is to be replaced - I find them to be very comfortable, quiet and pleasant vehicles in which to travel and to some extent they do justice to the premium TrentBarton charge for the service. Having said that, whatever the Yutongs offer I will continue to use the train between Derby and Nottingham when its feasible. This is because on most occasions CrossCountry advances are available at very short notice, and with a rail card they are usually much cheaper than the exorbitant (by comparison) cost of a ZigZag when I only need to do a return between the two city centres.

 

[tram21]

I am disappointed that the current Red Arrow fleet is to be replaced - I find them to be very comfortable, quiet and pleasant vehicles in which to travel and to some extent they do justice to the premium TrentBarton charge for the service.

Why is investment in new coaches that should be even more comfortable pleasant and quiet disappointing? The new coaches will do even more justice for the premium cost!

 

[Statto]

Why is investment in new coaches that should be even more comfortable pleasant and quiet disappointing? The new coaches will do even more justice for the premium cost!

And to add, because of reliability issues, including today, the coaches on the RA are often replaced by standard buses, that you have 735 (09 plate Eclipse Urban) on the RA today

 

[MCR247]

A Volvo is better than the Mercedes engines Versa that seems to be on their most days too.

 

[YX73OUB]

723 has been repainted and now out in mango livery, remains at Langley Mill and replaces 503

 

[Trainman40083]

Noticed two of the four Allestree buses were off today, 265 with a coolant leak, and 268 with an issue relating to it's handbrake.

 

[Teapot42]

No no no, I was making a joke about passengers being exposed to relatively large amounts of electromagnetic radiation coming from the massive batteries underneath. But this apparently is not harmful.
Would be interesting to see what happens when an electric coach catches fire, and how their batteries are recycled .

You do realise that batteries emit no electromagnetic radiation? It's caused by switching currents, so will come from the motor drivers and other wiring. There are also some pretty strict limits on what can be emitted.

As an aside, has this thread changed title again? Personally I preferred the individual company threads and even the geographic thread - much of what is mentioned here is only relevant to part of the Wellglade operating area.

 

[liamf656]

As an aside, has this thread changed title again? Personally I preferred the individual company threads and even the geographic thread - much of what is mentioned here is only relevant to part of the Wellglade operating area.

It was preferred by the majority to have it all under one umbrella the same as the Transdev thread, as too many topics were overlapping between threads and it was difficult to keep track

 

[Teapot42]

It was preferred by the majority to have it all under one umbrella the same as the Transdev thread, as too many topics were overlapping between threads and it was difficult to keep track

Oddly I don't recall there being much of a discussion on it. A few piped up and before anyone else had the chance to say anything it was changed.

It's as hard to keep track with one thread when you only have interest in a limited section of the Wellglade operation. To the point where I rarely bother reading this thread there is so much irrelevant (to me) stuff in here.

 

[bringiton]

723 has been repainted and now out in mango livery, remains at Langley Mill and replaces 503

Replaces 503? as in replaces it in service for the day? Or replaces its position in the depot? Either way I dont really mind. 503's rear seats are quite unique (partially uncomfortable) to only a few SR's along with having usb's. Apart from that its a decent vehicle, and way better than shakey 502

 

[YX73OUB]

Replaces 503? as in replaces it in service for the day? Or replaces its position in the depot? Either way I dont really mind. 503's rear seats are quite unique (partially uncomfortable) to only a few SR's along with having usb's. Apart from that its a decent vehicle, and way better than shakey 502

503 will be transferring away from Langley Mill.

 

[Trainman40083]

Replaces 503? as in replaces it in service for the day? Or replaces its position in the depot? Either way I dont really mind. 503's rear seats are quite unique (partially uncomfortable) to only a few SR's along with having usb's. Apart from that its a decent vehicle, and way better than shakey 502

723 certainly replaced 503 on an Ilkeston to Hucknall service.

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503 will be transferring away from Langley Mill.

With it being compliant in Sheffield, they could have a TM Travel bus in Mango livery, to join their other colourful buses

 

[bringiton]

723 certainly replaced 503 on an Ilkeston to Hucknall service.

Yeah I saw, was meant to get 503 from derby to chad but opted for i4 instead.

503 will be transferring away from Langley Mill.

Thought thats what you meant, thanks!

With it being compliant in Sheffield, they could have a TM Travel bus in Mango livery, to join their other colourful buses

Could be possible, could also be going to kinch since 906 doesnt have long left and the SR's are allowed on skylink Derby

 

[Trainman40083]

Yeah I saw, was meant to get 503 from derby to chad but opted for i4 instead.

Thought thats what you meant, thanks!

Could be possible, could also be going to kinch since 906 doesnt have long left and the SR's are allowed on skylink Derby

Good point about 906. Last day must be Saturday.. I am sure it will be missed. Wonder if all the other Kinchbus Citaros went for scrap?

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Yeah I saw, was meant to get 503 from derby to chad but opted for i4 instead.

Thought thats what you meant, thanks!

Could be possible, could also be going to kinch since 906 doesnt have long left and the SR's are allowed on skylink Derby

Of course, if all the hired Enviro 200MMCs (272 to 276) were to go back to the lease company, there would be some buses needed to cover them. 272 and 275 may already have gone back.

 

[bringiton]

Good point about 906. Last day must be Saturday.. I am sure it will be missed. Wonder if all the other Kinchbus Citaros went for scrap?

If its last day is Saturday then it might be on campus shuttles for uni open day? Either that or a volvo will be like last time. 904 was sold (still in the depot last i heard), 906 apparently the same but I dont know if thats a rumor. I'm fairly sure the others are still in the depot giving parts away, no doubt soon will be going for scrap though.

 

[cnjb8]

Oddly I don't recall there being much of a discussion on it. A few piped up and before anyone else had the chance to say anything it was changed.

It's as hard to keep track with one thread when you only have interest in a limited section of the Wellglade operation. To the point where I rarely bother reading this thread there is so much irrelevant (to me) stuff in here.

There was some discussion but it was removed by admins, I do however think it's better to keep this thread as the companies are closely related and it was getting confusing

Good point about 906. Last day must be Saturday.. I am sure it will be missed. Wonder if all the other Kinchbus Citaros went for scrap?

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Of course, if all the hired Enviro 200MMCs (272 to 276) were to go back to the lease company, there would be some buses needed to cover them. 272 and 275 may already have gone back.

272-5 are in the process of leaving, I believe Mistral have sold them to another operator

 

[YX73OUB]

It's a pity about 906 if it proves to be its last day, they were a beautiful & rare (for the Group) set of vehicles & a shift on the Calverton connection was always a pleasure with them... in my opinion anyway!

 

[bringiton]

It's a pity about 906 if it proves to be its last day, they were a beautiful & rare (for the Group) set of vehicles & a shift on the Calverton connection was always a pleasure with them... in my opinion anyway!

They are decent vehicles (with a nice ZF). However a few hours on skylink on one and you come off with a headache and feeling sick isn't the best.

 

[trentbartonfan]

Does anyone know why announcement’s were ditched on trentbarton’s older buses, namely the Eclipse Urban B7s? Seems that most of them had working audio and visual announcement displays looking back at older videos, but now seems that they have none. (unless I have horrible luck)

 

[Trainman40083]

Does anyone know why announcement’s were ditched on trentbarton’s older buses, namely the Eclipse Urban B7s? Seems that most of them had working audio and visual announcement displays looking back at older videos, but now seems that they have none. (unless I have horrible luck)

I suspect that was down to the change in ticket machines from Init to Ticketer. I presume it is not an easy job to transfer the data... But with so many new buses introduced into routes, maybe they took priority.

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

Does anyone know why announcement’s were ditched on trentbarton’s older buses, namely the Eclipse Urban B7s? Seems that most of them had working audio and visual announcement displays looking back at older videos, but now seems that they have none. (unless I have horrible luck)

Don't forget in a couple of years all eligible buses by the end of 2026 MUST feature next stop audio & visual announcements! I assume the next batch of coaches (specifically the red arrow Yutong GT12s) will also be fitted with the same aesys interior and exterior displays as the E200 MMCs do. Some older vehicles I have also seen have the larger, MMC-style controllers, maybe suggesting that they'll be retrofitted with them soon! By October 2025, all vehicles registered and first used after 1 October 2014 must have them (so currently the two's Volvo B8RLE E3s, and the Volvo B11RT Elites)! Then any older vehicles have a deadline of 1 October 2026.

 

[trentbartonfan]

I suspect that was down to the change in ticket machines from Init to Ticketer. I presume it is not an easy job to transfer the data... But with so many new buses introduced into routes, maybe they took priority.

That would make sense, I do remember when the new Ticketer TMs being introduced they had issues with cards declining.

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Don't forget in a couple of years all eligible buses by the end of 2026 MUST feature next stop audio & visual announcements! I assume the next batch of coaches (specifically the red arrow Yutong GT12s) will also be fitted with the same aesys interior and exterior displays as the E200 MMCs do. Some older vehicles I have also seen have the larger, MMC-style controllers, maybe suggesting that they'll be retrofitted with them soon! By October 2025, all vehicles registered and first used after 1 October 2014 must have them (so currently the two's Volvo B8RLE E3s, and the Volvo B11RT Elites)! Then any older vehicles have a deadline of 1 October 2026.

They definitely have capability to play and display the announcements, I assume it is just getting round to recording them and getting it to work. A fair few trentbarton vehicles do display on the visual announcement screen “IBIS address” showing that they do have the capability to work.

 

[bringiton]

They definitely have capability to play and display the announcements, I assume it is just getting round to recording them and getting it to work. A fair few trentbarton vehicles do display on the visual announcement screen “IBIS address” showing that they do have the capability to work.

I believe all the routes should have announcements now since all the depots have mmcs with spares so they all have the announcements recorded.

 

[YX73OUB]

Don't forget in a couple of years all eligible buses by the end of 2026 MUST feature next stop audio & visual announcements! I assume the next batch of coaches (specifically the red arrow Yutong GT12s) will also be fitted with the same aesys interior and exterior displays as the E200 MMCs do. Some older vehicles I have also seen have the larger, MMC-style controllers, maybe suggesting that they'll be retrofitted with them soon! By October 2025, all vehicles registered and first used after 1 October 2014 must have them (so currently the two's Volvo B8RLE E3s, and the Volvo B11RT Elites)! Then any older vehicles have a deadline of 1 October 2026.

There is a hell of a lot of work going on in the background to make this happen & happen it will. Retrofitting will be taking place with the Aesys equipment and lots has already taken place behind the scenes for prep.

And yes with init being the previous supplier of announcements they got turned off as and when the init machines were removed at the end of dual running.

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They are decent vehicles (with a nice ZF). However a few hours on skylink on one and you come off with a headache and feeling sick isn't the best.

The kickdown was amazing, pulling out of Newstead Abbey when going back to Sutton light was light work (literally)

The air con was brill too! & no I never took any of the 'big' mirrors off!

 

[bringiton]

Retrofitting will be taking place with the Aesys equipment and lots has already taken place behind the scenes for prep.

I've seen a few twos branded b8's have the controllers fitted along with 848

The kickdown was amazing, pulling out of Newstead Abbey when going back to Sutton light was light work (literally)

Yeah, can certainly be handy on skylink with the express parts of the route. Not to mention also handy for k9 with how time sensitive it is

 

[Mr TrainGuy]

I believe all the routes should have announcements now since all the depots have mmcs with spares so they all have the announcements recorded.

Maybe except Kinchbus then... as the only vehicles newer than the current legal requirements are skylink Derbys and 174/5 which very occasionally go on the 9 but I am not sure on their front. Not sure on Nottingham depot either, but a sensible assumption is that every depot have them recorded now.