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Jordan Adam
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I never said First are loosing in West Lothian, i worded my post in a way so that i made sure i wasn't implying that. But rather that they're just thinking ahead for that situation. And thus protecting the section of their market which hasn't been threatened yet.
I've changed my view slightly in that i doubt First will touch Edinburgh. There's just no point and at an operational stand point it would be a massive money pit.
FSE, the E is next to the W on the keyboard so a mistype i'd assume.
overthewater
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I think we have already reached silly money on LCB half, with its bizarre routes. This is what I don't understand if there really just wanted to get rid of First why haven't LCB introduced very cheap weekly ticket, like £10 for WL and £15 for WL and travel in to Edinburgh? Its so half arsed, so meh. What are LCB trying to do? the mistakes are increase every single week....
First really should be running buses from Heriot watt up the City every 15min that way it could have bus every 7/8 om the main western Corridors, that would be the cheapest option.
It should be FSE mis-type E and W are next to each other
Weemidi135
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From first hand experience and seeing for myself things that are currently occurring First are absolutely ****ting them self’s if they were not why on at least 3 occasions have first bus plain clothed inspector been taking notes on LCB numbers and other things also why are there buses running ahead of schedule just to be in front of us and yes it’s happening I know people won’t like this but look it’s the truth wether you accept that or not is up to you
SpeedbirdA350
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Buses are not allowed to run early though as that could mean heavy fines (happened with Lothian a few years ago) so if they are doing this then First could be in some hot water. You say from first hand experiance, so are you a driver for LCB?
overthewater
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If First are doing it, SO is LCB, if you don't believe that your just one sided. Everyone takes notes and watches the competition, you dont think JMB and First are not doing it?
More like First are running badly late, like LCB late aswell. Nothing new there, its also possible First are running dups. You do know there is Live trackers on the First buses?
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SpeedbirdA350
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Is there a website like Lothian have for the tracker?
overthewater
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https://www.firstgroup.com/next-bus It also highlight when the next LCB is due but not live and even council services. You can tell its live because of a countdown clock, if not tracked it just has a time,.
Common practice in a competitive environment to be surveying the opposition.
SpeedbirdA350
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Oh I thought you meant like Lothian have with the at bus stop tracker style or even with https://tfeapp.com/live/
Yeah I found Google maps also has all bus times like that but they also include Lothian, First, Citylink etc..
Yeah I found Google maps also has all bus times like that but they also include Lothian, First, Citylink etc..
TheGrandWazoo
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As others have stated, this is pretty standard practice.
FSE I
yip this is common
as for running early take aside the TC tolerance ,what if the PTP was not accessible
Are you implying LCB are not doing similar as in monitoring First Services and drivers under instruction to stay ahead of the competition ?
Weemidi135
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Not that I’m aware of however what use would watching training buses be
Not that your aware of !!!
Bit your aware of First movements and times?
That's handy...
Weemidi135
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Not that your aware of !!!
Bit your aware of First movements and times?
That's handy...
As I say I know people don’t like what I have to say but I’m not bothered you have your opinion and I have mine
I have no issues with what you write ,free speech is a human right ,however making things up to suit your needs with no basis will always lead to a debate (as I know
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I have no issues with what you write ,free speech is a human right ,however making things up to suit your needs with no basis will always lead to a debate (as I know
So what am I making up ?
Accusing First of running early to be in front sounds made up to me.
Weemidi135
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Ah ye that’s not made up but again everyone can have there own opinion on that
The bit about First drivers "running early to get in front" if anyone is running early it will be due to running times at certain points, but that is not taken lightly and it's certainly not advisable , "first shi*tt*ng themselves" kind of over exaggerated ever so slightly I'd say dealing with Aggressive competition is more in line with current thinking , "first inspectors " yes I dare say monitoring competition is going on as well as their own services, are you saying LCB dont do likewise ,why else would buses be put onto a71 other than LCB inspectors had clocked passenger loading at Livingston on 26 /26a and 71 services ?
TheEastCoaster
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The 43 is diverted from George street yet again! at this rate it would be easier to reroute the service so it runs via Scott monument to Queensferry 
Jordan Adam
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Both sides will have inspectors recording numbers on each others buses and seeing what the popular travel patterns are. It doesn't take a genius to work that out and anyone who claims only one of either operators has been doing is frankly delusional. As for running earlier, if it's not at a timing point then that's to be expected, however i very highly doubt either company are telling drivers to run past timing points early. It's 2018 not 1988! Bus operators simply would not and will no get away with that in this day and age.
Google times are not always accurate
Jordan Adam
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The times on google maps are not live, they're just what ever is registered to operate. With the times for non-timing points being auto generated it can lead to some errors.
Think it depends on the data feed. Google often tells me a given Lothian bus is delayed, and that tends match Lothian's own tracker.
Darklord8899
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I've also noticed with the times given (on google) it also depends on your device time......
E.g.. I get the 300 at 6.10am, my phone is 5 mins fast, so when my phone says it is 06.07 the time on Google shows "due in 3 minutes", when you look at the tracker time it shows the correct time of 8 mins (as in reality the time is only 6.02am)
E.g.. I get the 300 at 6.10am, my phone is 5 mins fast, so when my phone says it is 06.07 the time on Google shows "due in 3 minutes", when you look at the tracker time it shows the correct time of 8 mins (as in reality the time is only 6.02am)
SpeedbirdA350
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I can only assume because this thread is about LCB and not about First? I do agree it was worthy of discussion, and does link in to LCB going to WL.
Agreed, it's a shame the posts were deleted and no reason given.
It was posted that apparantly First are going to use Plaxton Presidents on the service which seems a bit of a backward step considering Lothian's tour fleet is still relativley recent and very well known. I can't see First lasting on this venture.
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