What if herd immunity can't be reached with a vaccine, as too many refuse to have it?

[Skimpot flyer]

It sounds very fast but if one becomes ready I'd rather look at what has been done to speed things up rather than assume now that it's too quick.

In that scenario, shouldn’t the question be: if it’s possible to develop a vaccine far more quickly than has previously been the case, why haven’t the same techniques been used to accelerate the development of other vaccines? Is ensuring the vaccine is, first and foremost, safe the first priority, or is the potential world market (and big profits) for a Covid19 vaccine the top priority, the real driver in speeding-up the process?

There are, of course, risks other than death, even with existing vaccines. You could be left disabled by an adverse reaction. That’s why the government has a compensation scheme

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

. You knew about that, I assume ?

 

[nlogax]

or is the potential world market (and big profits) for a Covid19 vaccine the top priority, the real driver in speeding-up the process?

Or maybe the massive amount of money being put into these parallel efforts - at this stage approaching 200 potential - is a somewhat desperate and high profile attempt to restore world trade and business to something approaching what it was seven months ago? Colds and the flu don't tend to bring the world economy grinding to a halt.

 

[Skimpot flyer]

Or maybe the massive amount of money being put into these parallel efforts - at this stage approaching 200 potential - is a somewhat desperate and high profile attempt to restore world trade and business to something approaching what it was seven months ago? Colds and the flu don't tend to bring the world economy grinding to a halt.

Covid19 has not brought the world economy to a halt. The reaction to it has wrought the economic damage.
An article in The Lancet concluded

Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.

Source:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

 

[AdamWW]

There are, of course, risks other than death, even with existing vaccines. You could be left disabled by an adverse reaction. That’s why the government has a compensation scheme. You knew about that, I assume ?

Yes, fully aware.

I do not think and have never claimed that a vaccine will necessarily be 100% safe.

 

[nlogax]

Covid19 has not brought the world economy to a halt. The reaction to it has wrought the economic damage.

That's just splitting hairs. Same end result.

 

[AdamWW]

That's just splitting hairs. Same end result.

Except that because it's an indirect effect a vaccine/treatment may not be the only way to reduce the economic damage.

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Covid19 has not brought the world economy to a halt. The reaction to it has wrought the economic damage.
An article in The Lancet concluded

Source:

That's not The Lancet.

 

[Pete_uk]

So, at what point after a vaccine becomes available do we start to ease up BIG time on the distancing and face masks?

Can having the vaccine be a good reason not to wear a mask in a shop?

 

[Bletchleyite]

So, at what point after a vaccine becomes available do we start to ease up BIG time on the distancing and face masks?

I would expect it will be when cases head heavily downwards.

 

[MikeWM]

So, at what point after a vaccine becomes available do we start to ease up BIG time on the distancing and face masks?

Can having the vaccine be a good reason not to wear a mask in a shop?

Given the Oxford vaccine, for example, appears likely to be going to neither prevent a person catching the disease or passing it on - just reducing the symptoms - then it would seem not.

 

[Yew]

Given the Oxford vaccine, for example, appears likely to be going to neither prevent a person catching the disease or passing it on - just reducing the symptoms - then it would seem not.

Depends, if you can stop people dying and having side effects, then suddenly this is just another cold virus

 

[MikeWM]

Depends, if you can stop people dying and having side effects, then suddenly this is just another cold virus

In places that have had a full first wave, such as the UK, that is effectively what is happening now anyway. We're finding more cases but there has been no effect on hospitalisations or deaths.

 

[Yew]

In places that have had a full first wave, such as the UK, that is effectively what is happening now anyway. We're finding more cases but there has been no effect on hospitalisations or deaths.

Indeed, we've discussed it a little in other threads, but it's going to be interesting to see what comes from widespread T-Cell testing in the near future.