brad465
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The entertainment just keeps coming (Lucy Allan is a Tory backbencher):
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When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?
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Nicholas Lewis
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who?
They don't matter and probably the ones who voted against him a few weeks ago just going before they are pushed.
BoJo has strengthened his hand here
Xenophon PCDGS
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I wonder if that will be the main talking point in Nairobi....
Hands up all who have ever heard of this person before.
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I can imagine Boris singing in the bathroom...."Sack 'em all, sack 'em all, the long and the short and the tall"....
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I think he'll cling on. Proven election winner surrounded by some absolute nobodies. May hung on for dear life before falling under the waves but then again she had cost them a majority.....
Gloster
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I wonder if that will be the main talking point in Nairobi....
Hands up all who have ever heard of this person before.
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I can imagine Boris singing in the bathroom...."Sack 'em all, sack 'em all, the long and the short and the tall"....
No, she is another obscure figure, but it is the number of people quitting that is damaging, especially as it includes two ‘Big Hitters’. It is not just a handful of semi-detached serial grumbles.
‘You’ll get a promotion,
For all that devotion,
Stuff em all.’
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TwoYellas
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'Ang 'em high!
Including that numpty Fabricant - that thing on his head can be sent to an animal sanctuary!
Far from it. What we're seeing today are those who have plans for higher profile party positions disconnecting themselves from Johnson's leadership.
While short term that may mean he has less arguments in cabinet meetings, in the medium term it will give the rest of the party new figures to rally around - exactly as he benefited from in the dying days of May's premiership.
Any suggestions that Boris thought this was a possibility can be easily dismissed - it would be infinitely less damaging for him to announce a reshuffle and kick the troublesome members out than let them leave on their terms.
Today is the day that Johnson's time in charge came to an end - all that's up for answering is how long it will take him to get the message and stand down.
Nicholas Lewis
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Its handful of nobody PPS's that have gone. Howe resigned on Thatcher it didn't finish her then.
BoJo has no integrity or morality so he will just breeze through this as nothing has happened and be pleased that now has a near complete sycophantic cabinet to do his bidding.
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Dorries, Rabb and Rees-Mogg are for certain. Gove perhaps not, as he could be kept around as a concession to the Brexiteer types.
Agreed, it's the sheer numbers at this point.
I've heard from a Tory friend in Scotland that her local branch is on full on mutiny mode tonight on WhatsApp. They were never very fond of Boris, but they've now collectively decided to inform Douglas Ross that they have no confidence in Johnson's leadership.
One interesting snap poll from YouGov says that 69% of the public now want Boris to go.
FrodshamJnct
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Solicitor General gone. Resignations now in double digits.
Nicholas Lewis
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Don't get me wrong i'd be happy if he was gone yesterday but you can't underestimate the power of having all the sycophants around him to do his bidding.
Actually im happy for him to keep going on as the Tories will eat themselves up and hopefully force a long overdue realignment of British politics including Labour splitting itself apart as well so we have a half decent centre ground.
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Jeremy Corbyn was a nobody too, and has returned to that status despite desperate attempts by people such as yourself to keep this bogeyman alive.I wonder if that will be the main talking point in Nairobi....
Hands up all who have ever heard of this person before.
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I can imagine Boris singing in the bathroom...."Sack 'em all, sack 'em all, the long and the short and the tall"....
adrock1976
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Being as Boris was a member of the notorious Bullingdon Club at Oxford Uni, does he have any of his fellow classmates to bail him out?
Both Cameron and Osborne departed the scene a long time ago.
Both Cameron and Osborne departed the scene a long time ago.
brad465
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Chris Kamara wins Twitter today:
(Kamara photoshopped outside No.10 as football commentator)
(Kamara photoshopped outside No.10 as football commentator)
Nicholas Lewis
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He wouldn't use them he prefers gullible sycophantic Tory MPs who he has far more chance of controlling. Sunak and Javid were outside of that circle.
DarloRich
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Is Zahawi the one who claimed expenses to heat his stables to keep his worses warm but voted against a VAT cut to hest homes and keep people warm?
brad465
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I think you meant horses, but yes that's correct. He was reported to have repaid part of a near £6,000 bill, but not sure if he repaid everything.
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zuriblue
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Guardian reports that Nadhim Zahawi threatened to resign unless he got the job of Chancellor (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uit-throwing-boris-johnsons-future-into-doubt)
Xenophon PCDGS
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I believe that Gladys in the laundrette has resigned from doing service washes as Johnson won't give her any more tips for doing his dirty washing in public...
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Also applies to a good percentage of the population at large, so thats nothing new.
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They may well have voted against him but that would have been their sole sign of rebellion, they now have carte blanche to speak out in the House, particular in relation to standards in public life.
With the recess coming up Johnson has got about eight weeks to sort things out. If they come back in September and there is still the same air of discontent, he is in trouble.
The one aspect of Parliament that gets publicity is PMQs where Johnson plays to the gallery, to the baying backbenchers - for a start, he has lost his cheerleader-in-chief in Gullis (who won't be able to occupy a prominent position). Also, until now a Conservative 'supplementary question' has often been along the lines of 'Isn't the Prime Minister wonderful', there are now a number of Conservatives who are free to deviate from that task so may ask more searching questions and there would be no reason for Hoyle not to call them. These are in addition to those already disaffected because of policy or previously being booted out of office for someone more sycophantic. As the payroll cannot ask questions, there is only so many times that Fabricant and Bone can be called.
He then has Conference, I suspect some delegates on the traditional wing of the Party will regard what has gone on with disgust.
... which shows Johnson's weak position. He may regret it though, his two predecessors may be rather inquisitorial about the economy if given the opportunity. And they will know where the bodies are buried.
birchesgreen
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Ah good the new education minister is on record with saying schools and unis shouldn't be allowed to stop talks by Holocaust deniers. Brilliant. Plus another with her snout in the pseudo-PPE money train trough.
As is the new chancellor.
As is the new chancellor.
The thing I take away from this is that Boris now is in the position where any changes he wishes to make to those in government jobs is going to be hard to do as the vast majority of bank benchers don't support him.
As such there's very limited scope to promote anyone and very little scope for much in the way of a reshuffle.
That's going to make it hard to keep people in line as those with jobs know that there's little threat in being sent to the back benchers, those without jobs are unlikely to be tempted by given a job and unless you do something bad there's little chance of being demoted.
I wouldn't be surprised if we started to see it be harder and harder for government to get things done.
Whilst Boris had an 80 seat majority with the by-elections cutting that by 2 seats a time (1 from the loss of a Tory and one by the gain of another). With 4 Tory losses and 1 gain the majority has be cut by 6.
It's not that unusual for there to be a few more over the next few years. Now unless things change then the public are likely to carry on punishing the Tories at them.
There's still a fair amount that will go through, but anything that is likely to go against the more rebellious MP's personal beliefs are likely to see them at least be conveniently elsewhere or maybe abstain, if not vote against.
More money for "levelling up" and more tax cuts are likely to be the order of the day to try and encourage the population and MP's that Boris is doing a good job. However there'll be many who will question how long that can last with deficits building up.
As such there's very limited scope to promote anyone and very little scope for much in the way of a reshuffle.
That's going to make it hard to keep people in line as those with jobs know that there's little threat in being sent to the back benchers, those without jobs are unlikely to be tempted by given a job and unless you do something bad there's little chance of being demoted.
I wouldn't be surprised if we started to see it be harder and harder for government to get things done.
Whilst Boris had an 80 seat majority with the by-elections cutting that by 2 seats a time (1 from the loss of a Tory and one by the gain of another). With 4 Tory losses and 1 gain the majority has be cut by 6.
It's not that unusual for there to be a few more over the next few years. Now unless things change then the public are likely to carry on punishing the Tories at them.
There's still a fair amount that will go through, but anything that is likely to go against the more rebellious MP's personal beliefs are likely to see them at least be conveniently elsewhere or maybe abstain, if not vote against.
More money for "levelling up" and more tax cuts are likely to be the order of the day to try and encourage the population and MP's that Boris is doing a good job. However there'll be many who will question how long that can last with deficits building up.
Although unlike Palmerston the Foreign Office? cat, Larry, like Boris, is not actually any good at is job and has a habit of starting fights for no reason.
HST274
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Proportional representation then?
Will Quince has now resigned, primarily - it would seem - because he went in front of the media and spouted a load of twaddle and lies at the instigation of Number Ten on Monday.
Yesterday: (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-62049610)
Nobody believes Johnson did not know about Pincher claims, says Labour peer
Jenny Chapman says PM must answer questions over what he knew when he appointed Tory deputy chief whip
www.theguardian.com
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Junior Transport minister Laura Trott has now er... trotted off to the back benches.
Children & Families minister Will Quince (who?) too now. Another one bites the dust.
Meanwhile Zahawi has denied pulling a Yozzer Hughes and demanding the Chancellorship from BoJo... which perhaps confirms it. He looked somewhat shifty in his interview on Sky News. He says he thinks Boris "has integrity" which just makes me think of South Park's Randy Marsh.
Children & Families minister Will Quince (who?) too now. Another one bites the dust.
Meanwhile Zahawi has denied pulling a Yozzer Hughes and demanding the Chancellorship from BoJo... which perhaps confirms it. He looked somewhat shifty in his interview on Sky News. He says he thinks Boris "has integrity" which just makes me think of South Park's Randy Marsh.
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