Which section of line is 'signed' by the fewest TOC traincrew?

[Express380]

Can't imagine many Northern crews sign Clitheroe-Helifield

 

[louis97]

How are the sleepers crewed?

Caledonian Sleeper have train managers at Dalmuir, and use drivers from GBRF I believe.

 

[Whistler40145]

Can't imagine many Northern crews sign Clitheroe-Helifield

I’m presuming that when the DalesRail service operates, a Blackpool North driver works to Hellifield, but would a Skipton driver work through to Carlisle?

 

[Dai Corner]

The TfW Pwllheli branch?

 

[Starmill]

Do you mean to say that there is a part of the passenger network which no train crew sign at all?

Depends whether you accept that it's part of the passenger network when it hasn't been served for goodness knows how long.

 

[InkyScrolls]

How many sign Clitheroe- Hellifield and on to Carlisle?

Clitheroe to Hellifield: Blackburn and Blackpool link one. Hellifield to Carlisle: All of Skipton and Carlisle depots, and Leeds link one.

 

[dk1]

As you'd expect Norwich to Sheringham and Yarmouth is just Norwich crews. Ipswich to Cambridge is just Ipswich crews. Marks Tey to Sudbury is Colchester crews but Clacton guards used to have a job to help cross cover. Don't know if it's still there

Thing with the local lines out of Norwich is there are well over 100 drivers & around 60 conductors/senior conductors based there all of whom would sign them. It’s only the East Suffolk (shared with Ipswich) & Cambridge routes that most seniors & some top link drivers wouldn’t work.

 

[InkyScrolls]

I’m presuming that when the DalesRail service operates, a Blackpool North driver works to Hellifield, but would a Skipton driver work through to Carlisle?

Correct. A taxi takes a Skipton driver to Hellifield to meet the northbound service, with the same taxi taking the Blackpool driver to have a (very, very long!) break at Skipton. The reverse is done for the return journey. The Blackpool link one conductor, however, signs the entire route throughout, Blackpool to Carlisle (which must be a nightmare for route knowledge retention).

 

[craigybagel]

Ulceby to Barton on Humber is only signed by around 30 or so Lincoln conductors and a small number of Freightliner drivers at the moment.

Surprised that's still going on. Is there a plan for Lincoln drivers to take it over?

Whilst the line through Chathill will be signed by hundreds of staff, I can’t imagine many are trained on the stopping service between Newcastle and Chathill.

Not sure about guards but for drivers there's only one of the two links at Newcastle that sign North of Morpeth

Craven Arms to Llandrindod is only signed by Shrewsbury drivers, and new starters don't sign the route straight away.

Correct, though I believe the new starters not signing it is only meant to be temporary to cope with the Covid induced backlog of route learning.

When did Crewe drivers stop signing it?

About 10 or 15 years ago. The guards still sign it though, so that section has only about 40 drivers who sign it but more than double that in guards.

How about the St Albans Abbey branch, is it just one LNR depot?

Just Bletchley for drivers, and I believe it's not all links at that. Watford Junction for guards.

The TfW Pwllheli branch?

Signed by everyone at both Pwllheli and Machynlleth depots. Granted Pwllheli depot is tiny though (9 drivers and 9 guards).

 

[Bovverboy]

How many crews sign to Stranraer?

 

[_toommm_]

How many crews sign to Stranraer?

Signed by Ayr and Stranraer. I imagine Stranraer is tiny (similar to a depot the size of Kyle of Lochalsh, high single digits, low double digits).

 

[Class 170101]

According to the records I've been given and which are used on the Driver route knowledge threads, Glasgow crews don't go north of Crianlarich any more (though they do work all the way to Oban) and Fort William/Mallaig don't go south of there.

I'm open to correction however.Bit will covered by two depots throughout the route

But still covered by two depots at least for each bit of route for crosscover purposes.

 

[4-SUB 4732]

But still covered by two depots at least for each bit of route for crosscover purposes.

Yes. Oban and Glasgow do Oban <> Glasgow, and Fort William and Mallaig do Mallaig <> Crianlarich.

 

[hick]

It will be the odd moves to a depot off route which a driver or driver manager that's been there ages does. Although these are probably getting rarer with ROG about.

Overground to Hornsey and Chiltern to Willesden have happened previously

 

[175001]

Some of the Cornish branches used to be one depot only. There is also the Blaenau Ffestiniog branch.

Blaenau branch signed by Junction and Holyhead.

 

[Neptune]

Correct. A taxi takes a Skipton driver to Hellifield to meet the northbound service, with the same taxi taking the Blackpool driver to have a (very, very long!) break at Skipton. The reverse is done for the return journey.

Pretty sure it’s 2 different Blackpool drivers otherwise they’d bust the drivers max of 10 hours. Taxi to/from Blackburn.

The Blackpool link one conductor, however, signs the entire route throughout, Blackpool to Carlisle (which must be a nightmare for route knowledge retention).

Incorrect. Blackpool conductors only sign BPN - HLD and taxi to/from Blackburn with the driver. Carlisle conductors work it HLD - CAR and a differemt one back who travel to/from Hellifield via Preston and PASS on the Dalesrail itself.

A BPN guard would bust 10hrs 30 max if they worked it throughout.

 

[InkyScrolls]

Pretty sure it’s 2 different Blackpool drivers otherwise they’d bust the drivers max of 10 hours. Taxi to/from Blackburn.


Incorrect. Blackpool conductors only sign BPN - HLD and taxi to/from Blackburn with the driver. Carlisle conductors work it HLD - CAR and a differemt one back who travel to/from Hellifield via Preston and PASS on the Dalesrail itself.

A BPN guard would bust 10hrs 30 max if they worked it throughout.

That's different from what my CTM has told me.

 

[Whistler40145]

That's different from what my CTM has told me.

What's the situation when the service terminates at Hellifield in the Winter timetable change?

 

[Hugo3000]

Clitheroe to Hellifield: Blackburn and Blackpool link one. Hellifield to Carlisle: All of Skipton and Carlisle depots, and Leeds link one.

Blackburn only sign up to Horrocksford Jct for the Clitheroe shunts.

 

[InkyScrolls]

What's the situation when the service terminates at Hellifield in the Winter timetable change?

It doesn't - it gets cancelled completely.

 

[Neptune]

That's different from what my CTM has told me.

This years Dalesrail was crewed similar to previous years.

1M46 was worked by BP2100/BP2712 to Hellifield and SK2117/CL2708 beyond. The BP crew taxied Hellifield - Preston.

1M76 was worked by SK2117/CL2709 to Hellifield and BP2108/BP2713 beyond. The BP crew taxied Preston - Hellifield.

 

[RPM]

If the OP specifically means TOC traincrew then I'd suggest Aylesbury Vale Parkway to Quainton Road is a contender. Only a handful of Aylesbury drivers sign it. Lots of FOC drivers sign the route of course.

 

[delticdave]

Romford to upminster. Only Overground Stratford drivers.

Which drivers depot cover the Southminster branch?

 

[iphone76]

Which drivers depot cover the Southminster branch?

Ilford and Southend Victoria.

 

[4F89]

How many WM or Avanti drivers sign Ince Moss? Not many I bet

 

[RPI]

Okehampton is only signed by Exeter Conductors (not Train Managers) and Exeter drivers, Exmouth only signed by Exeter Guards and drivers (both grades of drivers and guards), likewise Barnstaple.

 

[306024]

Romford to upminster. Only Overground Stratford drivers.

Back to Stratford drivers like it used to be in DMU days.

For a while it was shared between Ilford and Gidea Park drivers, but finished with the transfer to Overground, although MTR Ilford drivers worked it for a while until Overground completed their training.

 

[SteveyBee131]

...Gainsborough Central - Barnetby might also have been one, but is that currently lapsed? Or have there been any refershers?

Do you mean to say that there is a part of the passenger network which no train crew sign at all?

There have been route knowledge refresh trips. However, before a certain world-changing pandemic a conversation with a guard on said line revealed that only 8 of them signed it! Don't know if it's still the case, but if so it would explain why there haven't been that many route refreshers.

 

[warwickshire]

West Ruslip to West Ealing. Another contender only one Aylesbury Drivers link. Plus two Aylesbury guards. Chiltern Toc. However Stretch of Line can be considered for this purpose Northalt junction to Greenford Lul Junction. Around the side of Greenford East. Just before the shared Bit Between Greenford Lul junction and West Ealing of where Gwr Paddington drivers share the line.

 

[30907]

It doesn't - it gets cancelled completely.

It is cancelled tomorrow (post strike) - and has been frequently cancelled in recent winters but it is in the WTT.