WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[Neptune]

Currently the train spends 10 mins at Leamington, plenty to change ends. Changing ends in the middle of a service isn't impossible (especially if diagrammed with a longer wait at that station) but is inconvenient.

Why is changing ends inconvenient? Services have done this at many locations across the country forever and a day and it could hardly be called inconvenient.

 

[william.martin]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

I shall solve this problem as by chance I shall be riding that service next week on Thursday

 

[LA50041]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

Are you suggesting that the 1624 from WOF (ex HFD) has been 5 cars? If so you are mistaken. Booked 4 cars and has been every day of the last 2 weeks except 6th October when it was 3

 

[william.martin]

Are you suggesting that the 1624 from WOF (ex HFD) has been 5 cars? If so you are mistaken. Booked 4 cars and has been every day of the last 2 weeks except 6th October when it was 3

If only WMR was on RTT then we could find out

 

[LA50041]

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If only WMR was on RTT then we could find out

I have checked running information in TRUST

 

[william.martin]

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I have checked running information in TRUST

Sorry, although what is TRUST as I have never used it before?

 

[LA50041]

Sorry, although what is TRUST as I have never used it before?

TRUST is an internal system that shows train running information and (most) unit allocations

 

[william.martin]

Ok, I shall check it out!

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Could you please send aink as I can't find it?

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Ok, I shall check it out!

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Could you please send link as I can't find it?

 

[LA50041]

Ok, I shall check it out!

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Could you please send aink as I can't find it?

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It is an internal system for employees only. If you are a railway employee you will need to apply to your IT supplier. Not all employees are given access, depends on the job you do and if it is needed

 

[william.martin]

Oh, I am not an employee, just a rail enthusiast from where the 196's shall be entering service

 

[Sprinter107]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

5 car trains have not worked that line since the 170s donated their centre cars to Cross Country. Are you suggesting the staff that work them cant count.

 

[Class172]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

I'm not sure of the current makeup of the 170 fleet with WMR, but as far as I was aware all the centre carriages of the 170/6s were being transferred to XC, leaving WMR with a fleet of all 2-car 170/5s (following renumbering). As such it wouldn't be possible for a 5 car formation to be made once the transfers to XC have been completed.

 

[Sprinter107]

16.24 from Worcester Foregate Street is currently formed of 172007 and 172008, 2 x 2 cars which is the usual formation for this service.

 

[anamyd]

Here we are! My first impression is that these are an improvement on the trains they’ll replace!

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I do find those interior photos somewhat amusing - first day of the class in service and it's just somewhat bored / miserable looking normal passengers looking like they're just on "the train"

 

[Techniquest]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

I have read and re-read that, I can't see what you mean :-/

 

[newtownmgr]

So you are suggesting that my colleagues and I who catch the 16.24 at WOF cannot count?

It’s booked a 4 car 2 x 172/0 or /1. No 5 cars since the 170/6 went.

 

[GWVillager]

Any updates on whether there will be 196s running this Saturday?

 

[newtownmgr]

Yes, as currently the services in school/college morning and afternoon peak to and from Hereford is formed of five cars with the HFD departure at 15.39 full until Barnt Green having picked up more passengers at WOF.
Should be no problem with platforms as six car 196s are shorter than the GWR 5 car IETs used on the PAD -HFD services.

No sdo on 196’s so no 6 cars will be used due to platform lengths. Max 4 cars.which is the max formation in use now. 4 diagrams out on Herefords all day with 2 3 car 172’s. 1 2 x 170’s & 1 2 x 172’s. The 5th rush hour diagram which runs between Worcester & Birmingham with a single trip to Malvern in the morning is a 170 & 172/0 or /1.

 

[william.martin]

Any updates on whether there will be 196s running this Saturday?

I hope so, although I believe they are being more concentrated on mid-week services, this allows for any tweaks to the train to be done over the weekend before a full introduction later this year.

 

[boxerdog]

However Coventry is a LNWR depot. Leamington is a West Midlands depot.

The colour of the uniform doesn't necessarily denote 'ownership' of the depot. From memory Coventry Guards used to be the green team for accounting purposes, whilst the drivers were the orange team. The uniform was solely allocated to staff on the split of work at the depot at the time of the uniform being issued, which was then greater than 50% to the green team.

As you say, wait and see.....

 

[Bletchleyite]

I do find those interior photos somewhat amusing - first day of the class in service and it's just somewhat bored / miserable looking normal passengers looking like they're just on "the train"

They're similar enough to 172s that I imagine some have not even noticed.

 

[william.martin]

They're similar enough to 172s that I imagine some have not even noticed.

The 172 interior is more basic and a 2+3 configuration in most carriages, the 196's use the same seats as the FLIRTS, other than that they are the same.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I do find those interior photos somewhat amusing - first day of the class in service and it's just somewhat bored / miserable looking normal passengers looking like they're just on "the train"

Well, to most passengers on board it would just be “the train” to work.

 

[Class172]

No sdo on 196’s so no 6 cars will be used due to platform lengths. Max 4 cars.which is the max formation in use now. 4 diagrams out on Herefords all day with 2 3 car 172’s. 1 2 x 170’s & 1 2 x 172’s. The 5th rush hour diagram which runs between Worcester & Birmingham with a single trip to Malvern in the morning is a 170 & 172/0 or /1.

Theoretically speaking I suppose a peak diagram that ran only between Birmingham-Worcester could be 6 cars long as all the platforms are sufficiently long.

They're similar enough to 172s that I imagine some have not even noticed.

They also sound very similar thanks to the mechanical transmission.

 

[william.martin]

Well, to most passengers on board it would just be “the train” to work.

Yes, that is why all the passengers looked undisturbed by it being the trains inaugural passenger service as too them it would be like having a 158 instead of a 150 on the line around cardiff

 

[Bletchleyite]

The 172 interior is more basic and a 2+3 configuration in most carriages, the 196's use the same seats as the FLIRTS, other than that they are the same.

The 172 interior is not 3+2 in any vehicle. The layout is the same, as is the lack of armrests, but the actual seats not the same. But I still bet many would not notice.

 

[william.martin]

The 172 interior is not 3+2 in any vehicle. The layout is the same, as is the lack of armrests, but the actual seats not the same. But I still bet many would not notice.

Last time I remember using a 172 it was 3+2 although I could be getting confused with a different class, I shall be on one on Thursday so I shall find out then.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Last time I remember using a 172 it was 3+2 although I could be getting confused with a different class, I shall be on one on Thursday so I shall find out then.

You certainly are. You are thinking of either a 350/2 or a 323, if the West Midlands is under discussion.

 

[Sprinter107]

The 172s have never had 2 + 3 seating at any time.

 

[newtownmgr]

Theoretically speaking I suppose a peak diagram that ran only between Birmingham-Worcester could be 6 cars long as all the platforms are sufficiently long.

Theoretically speaking I suppose a peak diagram that ran only between Birmingham-Worcester could be 6 cars long as all the platforms are sufficiently long.

They also sound very similar thanks to the mechanical transmission.

Don’t think a 6 car 196 will fit on Bromsgrove. A 6 car 323 only just fits.