WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[craigybagel]

As far as 196s are concerned, if NR are on strike, nothing is going to be moving in or out of Shrewsbury, and therefore it's most likely the 196s won't be either - regardless of what's happening at TOC level.

 

[Bertiethebobby]

Morning all
Does anyone know if the 196 is on the 08.00 BHM to SHR this morning please.
I'd like to know before I buy a ticket as it's a short turn round at SHR, especially as it's 5' late off Brum!

 

[Covshire1]

Morning all
Does anyone know if the 196 is on the 08.00 BHM to SHR this morning please.
I'd like to know before I buy a ticket as it's a short turn round at SHR, especially as it's 5' late off Brum!

101 again

 

[Bertiethebobby]

101 again

Cheers
I'll go and give it a test run then

 

[uniquicity]

Realtime Trains | 5T32 1219 Tyseley L.M.D. to Henwick | 27/10/2022

Real-time train running information for 5T32 1219 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Henwick on 27/10/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is a 196 working today, took me by surprise though so didn't see which one

Edit - 196104

 

[william.martin]

Saw one on driver training near W'hampton and one near cradley heath today

 

[mangyiscute]

I'm unsure if there's any Saturday workings yet but if there is could someone please let me know what diagrams they are on today?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

I'm unsure if there's any Saturday workings yet but if there is could someone please let me know what diagrams they are on today?

There are no Saturday workings as of yet.

 

[Pokelet]

Most services during covid were 5 cars, that is until the 170/6s surrendered their centre carriages to CrossCountry to lengthen their /5s.

Pre COVID the first off Hereford getting to WOF at 7.49 was a 5 car, this split at BHM and then ran back as a 3. It gained it's 2 car running mate back early afternoon for a Hereford run that then returned for the school run back to BHM calling at Barnt Green. It then ran the 17:19 peak back and continued as a 5 car the rest of the diagram.

The morning peak into BHM and the afternoon in and out were normally full and standing.

 

[newtownmgr]

Pre COVID the first off Hereford getting to WOF at 7.49 was a 5 car, this split at BHM and then ran back as a 3. It gained it's 2 car running mate back early afternoon for a Hereford run that then returned for the school run back to BHM calling at Barnt Green. It then ran the 17:19 peak back and continued as a 5 car the rest of the diagram.

The morning peak into BHM and the afternoon in and out were normally full and standing.

That diagram was changed about 2 years before Covid if i recall & the 2 car actually went to Tyseley. The set that split & went to Hednesford was off the 06:47 ex Malvern which was a 4 car. The units arriving at New St at 13:09 went to Tyseley with a 5 car coming off to form the 13:50 Hereford which later formed the 17:19. They stopped the attach for the 17:19 some years ago due to potential delays in the rush hour, both waiting for the set from Tyseley & any issues coupling.

 

[Pokelet]

That sounds more like it. My commute to Birmingham stopped late 2018 with only a few trips in '19. Used to study the Twitter feed and live updates religiously to avoid any short forms (which were very common at the time).

 

[Liam L]

Any ideas when the next 196 diagram is due to start? Presumably it will be the afternoon Shrewsbury peak?

Thanks

Any ideas when the next 196 diagram is due to start? Presumably it will be the afternoon Shrewsbury peak?

Thanks

Quoting myself however the afternoon diagram is apparently in today.

Source: Jacob Porrett Twitter

‘196101 today:

0748 Tyseley L.M.D to BHM
0800 BHM to Shrewsbury
0911 SHR to BHM
Empty to Tyseley L.M.D

Later on:
1734 BHM to SHR
1847 SHR to BHM
20003 BHM to SHR
2146 SHR to BHM
2315 BHM to SHR
Guess in ends in Shrewsbury in the early hours tomorrow morning.’

 

[Jacob Porrett]

196101 today:

0748 Tyseley L.M.D to BHM
0800 BHM to Shrewsbury
0911 SHR to BHM
Empty to Tyseley L.M.D

Later on:
1734 BHM to SHR
1847 SHR to BHM
20003 BHM to SHR
2146 SHR to BHM
2315 BHM to SHR
Guess in ends in Shrewsbury in the early hours tomorrow morning.

Looks like the morning diagrams have been cancelled but here are the evening diagrams for the first time of evening running.

 

[GWVillager]

Later on:
1734 BHM to SHR
1847 SHR to BHM
20003 BHM to SHR
2146 SHR to BHM
2315 BHM to SHR
Guess in ends in Shrewsbury in the early hours tomorrow morning.’

20003? I think that's a bit late for me!

 

[Liam L]

196101 today:

0748 Tyseley L.M.D to BHM
0800 BHM to Shrewsbury
0911 SHR to BHM
Empty to Tyseley L.M.D

Later on:
1734 BHM to SHR
1847 SHR to BHM
20003 BHM to SHR
2146 SHR to BHM
2315 BHM to SHR
Guess in ends in Shrewsbury in the early hours tomorrow morning.

Looks like the morning diagrams have been cancelled but here are the evening diagrams for the first time of evening running.

I already posted it above. I doubt it’s going to run after the incident which shut Birmingham New Street down.

 

[158841]

Seems the second diagram has begun! 0741 Birmingham - Shrewsbury has an UID 196 on. Can anyone confirm the next runs?

 

[Liam L]

Seems the second diagram has begun! 0741 Birmingham - Shrewsbury has an UID 196 on. Can anyone confirm the next runs?

Couldn’t find a 07:41 Birmingham to Shrewsbury? However I’m told from a post from a Facebook group that 196101 and 196110 are in service today.

196101 2G09 2J10 2G15 2J16 2G21 2J22 1G53 1J68 2G31 2J32 2G35

196110 1GO5 2J06 1G14

If anyone is able to confirm this that would be excellent

 

[Covshire1]

Couldn’t find a 07:41 Birmingham to Shrewsbury? However I’m told from a post from a Facebook group that 196101 and 196110 are in service today.

196101 2G09 2J10 2G15 2J16 2G21 2J22 1G53 1J68 2G31 2J32 2G35

196110 1GO5 2J06 1G14

If anyone is able to confirm this that would be excellent

Lots of units moving around today by the looks of the excellent Part Time Spotter blog:

Class 196 Allocations 01/11/2022

.. Disclaimer. Allocated at 07:45 ** TWO in revenue earning today 196101 Location Mileage Arr Dep WTT ID Position / others Wellington 00:17 2J35 1 Shrewsbury 10 00:30 05:59 2G02 1 Wellington 20 06:…

partimespotter.wordpress.com

 

[class387]

Do we know whether there's any chance of a 196 being out this Sunday?

 

[Jamesrob637]

Do we know whether there's any chance of a 196 being out this Sunday?

Wouldn't have thought so given in between strike days.

 

[Liam L]

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Do we know whether there's any chance of a 196 being out this Sunday?

Yet to be seen. But I guess wait and see what happens on Sunday I suppose

 

[Herefordian]

I rode my first 196 on Tuesday, having been in Birmingham for a meeting.

Overall, impressed.

Excellent lighting. Comfortable. Very airy and spacious.

They'll be a nice upgrade when they reach Hereford.

 

[Jimboe89]

I was on the 0638 from Codsall to Wolverhampton this morning. The service was running late. Dwell times seemed long, the door release seamed to take ages. In terms of speed it felt slower than the 170’s with the driver being very cautious on the breaks into stations and accelerating slowly.

The interior was pleasant and comfortable enough for the journeys that these trains will be doing.

 

[Class172]

In terms of speed it felt slower than the 170’s with the driver being very cautious on the breaks into stations and accelerating slowly.

I’m sure once the drivers are familiar with the units that won’t be the case. The 170s are not exactly know for having spritely performance and I’m imagining the performance of a 196 to be at least on par with a 172, given the similar transmission and more powerful engine of the CAF unit.

 

[warwickshire]

I’m sure once the drivers are familiar with the units that won’t be the case. The 170s are not exactly know for having spritely performance and I’m imagining the performance of a 196 to be at least on par with a 172, given the similar transmission and more powerful engine of the CAF unit.

Also don't forget time of year as well defensive driving techniques. adhesion and rail heads due to leaf fall season.
Particularly as the weather has been particularly bad in the past few days so that can play part as well. Likewise not only 196s did it effect. It also on Tuesday 01st November also created some 720s to substitute for 321s on Anglia they had a rough time to.
So leaf fall season does affect 196s to like everything else on the railway.

 

[Sprinter107]

Its the time of year to be cautious coming into stations. That may have something to do with it.

 

[Neptune]

In terms of speed it felt slower than the 170’s with the driver being very cautious on the breaks into stations and accelerating slowly.

That’s really good to hear during leaf fall season.

 

[Undiscovered]

Dwell times seemed long, the door release seamed to take ages. In terms of speed it felt slower than the 170’s with the driver being very cautious on the breaks into stations and accelerating slowly.

Doors are actually quite quick to cycle, however the unit takes time to decide to engage traction and move.

The latter, Red leaf fall day, combined with new, unfamiliar units and a totally different braking system will do that.
Better to be late than have an overrun.

 

[craigybagel]

The line in question is also quite notorious for low adhesion. Factor in the new trains, and the fact there's very little margin for error with a 4 car train at most of the platforms, and you'd want to be very careful.

 

[william.martin]

The line in question is also quite notorious for low adhesion.

Last year in autumn I was on a 170 coming into Wolverhampton and we had to stop for a 390 to take the junction Infront, when we tried to move again we just wheel spinned, however after the driver invited sand into the show we were back moving again .