WMTrains livery and station branding

[trash80]

Why are they emulating London Overground, they don't have a monopoly on the colour orange, you may as well argue LO are emulating the Glasgow Subway.

Plus how many daily commuters in the West Midlands are that familiar with LO anyway?

 

[XCTurbostar]

Saw another 170 (Not 170503) in the temporary WMR livery. I think it was 170509 bit I cant be sure.

 

[sd0733]

323204 now out in WM livery too.

 

[Spirit555]

Saw another 170 (Not 170503) in the temporary WMR livery. I think it was 170509 bit I cant be sure.

It would have been 170516. 509 is still to be done.

 

[XCTurbostar]

It would have been 170516. 509 is still to be done.

Thanks. That’s number two!

 

[XCTurbostar]

323213 also orange now

 

[Chris172]

Has the interior of 172342 been done?

 

[XCTurbostar]

Has the interior of 172342 been done?

No, still green

 

[59CosG95]

Hi all, this is a bit of a big post, so make sure you're sitting comfortably for it!
It's a list of how far the WMR branding has spread on stations & trains.

Mods - feel free to pin this to the front of the thread.

Stations
Stour Valley Line (COV-WVH, exc. COV, BHM & BHI)
All WMR-operated stations between Coventry & New Street are in WMR orange & grey.
>Smethwick Rolfe Street: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Smethwick Galton Bridge: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts (both levels)
>Sandwell & Dudley: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Dudley Port: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Tipton: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts (confirmed as of 22/8/18)
>Coseley: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Wolverhampton: WMR signs, orange/grey lampposts

Cross-City Line (LTV-BMV/RDC, exc. BHM)
>Lichfield Trent Valley: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Lichfield City: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Shenstone: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Blake Street: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Butlers Lane: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Four Oaks: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Sutton Coldfield: Network WM (Olympic gold) signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Wylde Green: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Chester Road: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Erdington: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Gravelly Hill: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Aston: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Duddeston: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Five Ways: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>University: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Selly Oak: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bournville: Network WM signs, Purple "Cadbury" lampposts
>Kings Norton: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Northfield: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Longbridge: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Barnt Green: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Alvechurch: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Redditch: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bromsgrove: non-standard signs, blue/yellow lampposts

Snow Hill Lines (Dorridge/Stratford-u-A - Ledbury via Snow Hill & Worcester)
>Stratford-upon-Avon: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Stratford-upon-Avon Parkway: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Wilmcote: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Wootton Wawen: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Henley-in-Arden: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Danzey: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Wood End: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>The Lakes: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Earlswood: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Wythall: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Whitlocks End: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Shirley: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Yardley Wood: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Hall Green: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Spring Road: Network WM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Widney Manor: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts plus other WMR features
>Solihull: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Olton: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts plus other WMR features
>Acocks Green: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Tyseley: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Small Heath: Network WMsigns, unpainted lampposts
>Bordesley: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts
>Birmingham Snow Hill: WMR signs, orange/purple lampposts
>Jewellery Quarter: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>The Hawthorns: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Rowley Regis: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Old Hill: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Cradley Heath: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Lye: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Stourbridge Junction: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
(>Stourbridge Town: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts)
>Hagley: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Blakedown: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Kidderminster: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Hartlebury: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Droitwich Spa: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Worcester Shrub Hill: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Worcester Foregate Street: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Malvern Link: LM/old-style GWR signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Great Malvern: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Colwall: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Ledbury: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts

Chase Line (Aston (exc.) - Walsall - Rugeley TV (exc.))
>Witton: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Perry Barr: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts
>Hamstead: Network WM signs, orange/grey lampposts (confirmed as of 29/8/18)
>Tame Bridge Parkway: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bescot Stadium: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Walsall: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bloxwich: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bloxwich North: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Landywood: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Cannock: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Hednesford: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Rugeley Town: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts

Others
>Water Orton: LM signs, orange/grey lampposts
>Wilnecote: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Tamworth HL: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Coleshill Parkway: LM signs, unpainted posts
>Stone: orange & white??
>Kenilworth: similar to Bromsgrove
>Bilbrook: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Codsall: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Albrighton: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Cosford: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Shifnal: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Telford Central: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Oakengates: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts
>Wellington: LM signs, old-style GWR lampposts

Trains
Class 139
139001: LM livery, WMR branding
139002: LM livery, WMR branding

Class 150 (all to transfer to Northern):
150105: LM livery, WMR branding
150107: ditto
150109: ditto

Class 153 (all to transfer to EMT):
153334: LM livery, WMR branding
153354: ditto
153356: ditto
153364: ditto
153365: ditto
153366: ditto
153371: ditto
153375: ditto

Class 170/5 (2-cars, due to leave the franchise)
170501: LM livery, WMR branding
170502: LM livery, WMR branding
170503: WMR "outgoing" livery
170504: WMR "outgoing" livery
170505: LM livery, WMR branding
170506: WMR "outgoing" livery (confirmed as of 29/8/18)
170507: WMR "outgoing" livery (confirmed as of 29/8/18)
170508: WMR "outgoing" livery
170509: LM livery, WMR branding
170510: LM livery, WMR branding
170511: WMR "outgoing" livery
170512: LM livery, WMR branding
170513: LM livery, WMR branding
170514: LM livery, WMR branding
170515: LM livery, WMR branding
170516: WMR "outgoing" livery
170517: LM livery, WMR branding

Class 170/6 (3-cars, due to leave the franchise)
170630: LM livery, WMR branding
170631: ditto
170632: ditto
170633: ditto
170634: ditto
170635: ditto

Class 172/0 (2-cars, ex-London Overground)
172001: still with LO
172002: at Tyseley (?) awaiting mods and repaint
172003: as per 001
172004: ditto
172005: ditto
172006: ditto
172007: ditto
172008: ditto

Class 172/2 (2-cars, with gangway)
172211: LM livery, WMR branding
172212: ditto
172213: ditto
172214: ditto
172215: ditto
172216: ditto
172217: ditto
172218: ditto
172219: ditto
172220: ditto
172221: ditto
172222: ditto

Class 172/3 (3-cars, with gangway)
172331: LM livery, WMR branding
172332: LM livery, WMR branding
172333: LM livery, WMR branding
172334: LM livery, WMR branding
172335: Final orange/purple WMR livery
172336: LM livery, WMR branding
172337: LM livery, WMR branding
172338: LM livery, WMR branding
172339: Prototypical purple WMR livery
172340: LM livery, WMR branding
172341: LM livery, WMR branding
172342: Final orange/purple WMR livery
172343: LM livery, WMR branding
172344: LM livery, WMR branding
172345: LM livery, WMR branding

Class 323 (due to leave the franchise)
323201: LM livery, WMR branding
323202: WMR "outgoing" livery
323203: WMR "outgoing" livery
323204: WMR "outgoing" livery
323205: WMR "outgoing" livery
323206: LM livery, WMR branding
323207: LM livery, WMR branding
323208: LM livery, WMR branding
323209: WMR "outgoing" livery
323210: LM livery, WMR branding
323211: LM livery, WMR branding
323212: WMR "outgoing" livery
323213: WMR "outgoing" livery
323214: LM livery, WMR branding
323215: LM livery, WMR branding
323216: WMR "outgoing" livery
323217: LM livery, WMR branding
323218: LM livery, WMR branding
323219: LM livery, WMR branding
323220: WMR "outgoing" livery
323221: LM livery, WMR (+ BTP) branding
323222: LM livery, WMR branding
323240: LM livery, WMR branding
323241: LM livery, WMR branding
323242: LM livery, WMR branding
323243: LM livery, WMR branding

(NB: WCML stations and Class 230s, 319s and 350s are omitted as they fall under the LNWR umbrella and this list focuses on the WMR side of things)
Feel free to quote this post with any updates to the list!

 

[JordyWM]

^^ Amazing list! It’s starting to look alot more WMR out there finally... Have they decided on a final look for the stations yet?

Can’t wait to see more stock in the full final livery too. Will the prototype livery be redone or will that remain as a special one off?

 

[DJames]

^^ Amazing list! It’s starting to look alot more WMR out there finally... Have they decided on a final look for the stations yet?

Can’t wait to see more stock in the full final livery too. Will the prototype livery be redone or will that remain as a special one off?

I recall them mentioning on Twitter that the prototype livery will be redone eventually, although it will be left until one of the last ones.

 

[Ted172]

I recall them mentioning on Twitter that the prototype livery will be redone eventually, although it will be left until one of the last ones.

Yep. On twitter they mentioned that it is a 'limited edition' livery. Once all 172s get the final purple and orange livery then 172 339 will be the last unit to get the purple and orange livery

 

[Spirit555]

Can add 170511 and 323212. Both now orange

Mark

 

[Old Hill Bank]

Plus how many daily commuters in the West Midlands are that familiar with LO anyway?

How many daily commuters give a monkeys about the colour of the outside of the train. They just want it to turn up with enough capacity that they can travel comfortably on it.

 

[trash80]

How many daily commuters give a monkeys about the colour of the outside of the train. They just want it to turn up with enough capacity that they can travel comfortably on it.

Shush don't tell the branding experts that

 

[DavidGrain]

Shush don't tell the branding experts that

My local station is served by WMR trains on a 6tph basis plus three Chiltern trains to London in the morning and three return trains in the evening. I am sure that the commuters into Birmingham do notice the difference but do they care whether they are standing on a WMR train or a Chiltern train? Possibly because there is more room to stand on a WMR train but they still catch the next train.

If you are at Birmingham International and want to go to New Street do you chose to get on a Virgin WC, a XC, a WMR, an LNW or an ATW? No, you get on the next train.

 

[DJames]

My local station is served by WMR trains on a 6tph basis plus three Chiltern trains to London in the morning and three return trains in the evening. I am sure that the commuters into Birmingham do notice the difference but do they care whether they are standing on a WMR train or a Chiltern train? Possibly because there is more room to stand on a WMR train but they still catch the next train.

If you are at Birmingham International and want to go to New Street do you chose to get on a Virgin WC, a XC, a WMR, an LNW or an ATW? No, you get on the next train.

I'm sure commuters from where I live in Tipton would still rather have more frequent, or longer, trains into Birmingham or Wolverhampton though. The 30 min frequency is okay but it seems like we get the short end of the stick compared to other commuter lines. I can't see any way to improve this though unless HS2 removes the need for some paths along the Stour Valley.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

If you are at Birmingham International and want to go to New Street do you chose to get on a Virgin WC, a XC, a WMR, an LNW or an ATW? No, you get on the next train.

Er, I admit to being a bit of a snob, when I studied in Birmingham years ago, I would wait for the next Virgin WC HST while avoiding the uncomfortable & clapped out Silverlink units (which have since been improved by Greater Anglia & Northern) and this was the days before SuperVoyagers & Pendolinos and Desiros. I did the same on SWT by dodging the slam door units in favour of the 442s.

 

[Bus1237]

>Olton: Network WM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts

Olton Station now has orange lampposts and a few other WMR features

 

[59CosG95]

Olton Station now has orange lampposts and a few other WMR features

Thanks for the update! Amending the post.
Widney Manor has also gone orange.

 

[sd0733]

323220 out today in WM outgoing livery too
Just passed Orange 170508 too.

 

[59CosG95]

323220 out today in WM outgoing livery too
Just passed Orange 170508 too.

Not hanging about, are they?!
Have there been any further 172 revinyls?

 

[sd0733]

Not hanging about, are they?!
Have there been any further 172 revinyls?

Certainly not now they've started!
Not sure on 172s, I pass the 323 and 170s at new street but never see the 172s apart from across the top.at Smethwick!

 

[jhy44]

If you are at Birmingham International and want to go to New Street do you chose to get on a Virgin WC, a XC, a WMR, an LNW or an ATW? No, you get on the next train.

Considering that everyone of those operators has its own fare between those two stations, which are all (often much) cheaper than the 'any permitted' ticket, most passengers ARE tied to one single operator and thus do choose what train to board. I once endured the fury of a XC conductor for boarding a Manchester-bound train with a 'VTWC only' single to New Street, I won't be doing that again.

 

[pt_mad]

Coming thick and fast now!
Image credit to David Carter-Coates

Cant help thinking the final version of the 172 livery has some similarity to the ScotRail livery particularly where the diamonds fade out at each end of the car in a diaganol line type fashion. In a similar way to how the X (cross) on the ScotRail units do this with the dots instead of diamonds, and in a diaganol fashion.

Wonder whether this inspired the diamond end car fade type thing, as Scotrail is another Abellio franchise of course and the powers at WMT would be well aware of which parts of their livery work well.

Shame they couldn't update the LNR green livery with something like this at the ends of each car. Where the green diaganol section is at the end of each car perhaps they could have faded that into the white, or used dots or small 'w's or large 'W's fading or something else rather than just a solid line like they had on the VTEC 225s, which I have read may have been from the same designer?

Also it may have looked better with the 'London Northwestern Railway' small logos at the far ends of each car between the doors and the car ends. Underneath the windows. Rather than one logo in the centre of each car (which is the same as Scotrail have done).


Not my image. Credit: RmWeb

Or maybe on the LNR livery they could have overlapped the outline of the W (from the logo) on the diaganol green car ends. Perhaphs in a grey outline. Similarly to how XC have overlapped the outline of the X on there's:


Not my image. Credit: WikiMedia

 

[59CosG95]

Hi all, another big post, so make sure you're sitting comfortably for it!
It's a list of how far the LNWR branding has spread on stations & trains.

Mods - again, feel free to pin this to the front of the thread.

Stations
WCML
>Watford Junction: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts
>Kings Langley: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Apsley: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Hemel Hempstead: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Berkhamsted: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Tring: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Cheddington: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Leighton Buzzard: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bletchley: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts
>Milton Keynes Central: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts
>Wolverton: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Northampton: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Long Buckby: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Nuneaton: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Atherstone: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Polesworth: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Tamworth: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts (both levels)
>Lichfield TV: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Rugeley TV: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Winsford: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts
>Hartford: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts
>Acton Bridge: LM signs, two-tone green/grey (LNWR) lampposts

Abbey Line
>Watford North: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Garston: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bricket Wood: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>How Wood: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Park Street: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>St. Albans Abbey: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts

Marston Vale Line
>Fenny Stratford: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bow Brickhill: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Woburn Sands: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Aspley Guise: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Ridgmont: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Lidlington: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Millbrook (Beds): LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Stewartby: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Kempston Hardwick: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts
>Bedford St. Johns: LM signs, green/black (LM) lampposts

Trains
Class 350/1
350101-109: LM livery, LNWR branding
350110: LM "Project 110" livery, LNWR branding
350111-130: LM Livery, LNWR branding

Class 350/2 (due to leave the franchise)
350231-234: LM livery, LNWR branding
350235: LM livery (with BTP wrap), LNWR branding
350236-261: LM livery, LNWR branding
350262: LNWR "outgoing" livery (confirmed as of 2nd September 2018)
350263-266: LM livery, LNWR branding
350267: LNWR "outgoing" livery

Class 350/3
350368: LM livery, LNWR branding
350369: LM livery, LNWR branding
350370: LM livery, LNWR branding
350371: LM livery, LNWR branding
350372: LM livery, LNWR branding
350373: Full LNWR livery (poss. revised) (confirmed as of 2nd September 2018)
350374: Full (revised) LNWR livery, with 1st Class Stripe
350375: Full (revised) LNWR livery, with 1st Class Stripe
350376: LM livery, LNWR branding
350377: LM livery, LNWR branding

 

[sd0733]

Winsford and Hartford have also been repainted. Altho Hartford has mostly plain silver stainless steel lampposts.

 

[JordyWM]

How come the West Midlands franchise had to be seperated branding wise as WMR and London Northwestern? Isn’t East Midlands branded the same name for both their city and long distance London services?

 

[dorsetdesiro]

How come the West Midlands franchise had to be seperated branding wise as WMR and London Northwestern? Isn’t East Midlands branded the same name for both their city and long distance London services?

Maybe because the East Midlands so far hasn't got the equivalent of TfWM therefore requiring a regional network separate from the London services that the regional authority would not be overseeing?

In a possible East Midlands scenario, the regional Leicester-Derby-Nottingham-Sheffield-Lincoln network could be branded as EMR then the St Pancras mainline services would have to become something like "London Sheffield Railway" as the DfT currently has a thing for traditional regional names ending with "Railway".

 

[dorsetdesiro]

As there is now London North Eastern Railway on the ICEC, would WMT be required to put a space in the LNR name thus becoming "London North Western Railway" but perhaps this won't matter too much.

Though the DfT may want consistency that the next SE franchise operator, if it is the incumbent Govia, could label their TOC as "Southeastern Railway" without the spacing?

Back to LNR, I had a peek at recent images of Milton Keynes Central, the newly painted LNR lamp columns are a bit OTT - bright green on the upper part! (Wiltshire County Council years ago used to do similar with their streetlights) I like the black LM columns better, LNR could have done the same but swap the black parts with dark green?