Would it be feasible to reopen Etruria?

[onlinespotting]

Within 5-10 minutes walk is a new housing development, a retail park (park and ride potential) and lots of new development; for example offices and call centres for Royal Mail, Bet365, Vodafone, FedEx and more. Etruria would be a real boost for Stoke-on-Trents infrastructure, it's right next to the A500. After the decision to take HS2 to Crewe should Etruria be reopened with the potential direct train to Crewe and Manchester, and a one stop change to a direct link to London.

 

[najaB]

After the decision to take HS2 to Crewe should Etruria be reopened with the potential direct train to Crewe and Manchester, and a one stop change to a direct link to London.

I don't know the area at all, but isn't it too close to the main Stoke station to be a viable reopening?

 

[onlinespotting]

I don't know the area at all, but isn't it too close to the main Stoke station to be a viable reopening?

The line speed increased from 60mph to 85mph, yet at this point, express trains and intercity trains would be slowing down the approach Stoke-on-Trent anyway; probably reduced journey times by 2-3 minutes.
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And after HS2 would be a great link for Stoke-on-Trent.

 

[WatcherZero]

You have to think about it at the time not today. It was in an industrial wasteland of vacant brownfield after the decline of industry.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Numbers at Longport and Longton are low, so there's no likelihood Etruria would do any better.
All those stations (well, maybe not Longton so much) are poorly sited, the towns are on the top of the hills a couple of miles away.
Stoke station is only 1.2 miles away, Longport 1.8 (which LM doesn't even call at).

 

[Class 170101]

Numbers at Longport and Longton are low, so there's no likelihood Etruria would do any better.
All those stations (well, maybe not Longton so much) are poorly sited, the towns are on the top of the hills a couple of miles away.

Such things as buses to provide connections if the operators thought about it. Either on their own or in parthership with bus operators.

Longport 1.8 (which LM doesn't even call at).

LM Does occasionally call here.

 

[onlinespotting]

I understand at the time why they closed it, but it was still service circa 1500 passengers a year, had it not been on the mainline it would probably still be open. And now with the regeneration links to Crewe and Manchester would be good (it's also the site of the proposed HS2 station when stoke put their bid in. There's nothing at longport and bus links are better to longton

 

[najaB]

...had it not been on the mainline it would probably still be open...

That's the problem - it *was* on the mainline so stopping trains there affected many more than the five passengers a day who actually used it.

 

[The Planner]

(it's also the site of the proposed HS2 station when stoke put their bid in.

Don't you mean was? Stoke isn't getting an HS2 station.

 

[sd0733]

LM Does occasionally call here.

Mothing booked though, its just in lieu of EMT if ever ones cancelled and we get special stop orders.

 

[Class 170101]

Mothing booked though, its just in lieu of EMT if ever ones cancelled and we get special stop orders.

Or Engineering Works.

 

[edwin_m]

If LM did call at Longport instead of EMT, and potentially Etruria too, the better acceleration and door cycle times would reduce the capacity impact.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I understand at the time why they closed it, but it was still service circa 1500 passengers a year, had it not been on the mainline it would probably still be open. And now with the regeneration links to Crewe and Manchester would be good (it's also the site of the proposed HS2 station when stoke put their bid in. There's nothing at longport and bus links are better to longton

The last published returns for 2004/5 was a figure of 1,798 and in 2004, the SRA proposed the closure of the station and this was granted by the DfT in 2005.

Had that station remained in situ, none of the subsequent track upgrading would have been possible.

 

[bradford758]

There was a Wedgewood factory shop/visitor centre near the station many years ago.

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[dk1]

VHF was far more important & has completely transformed the WCML. Etruria was a dead duck to be brutally honest.

 

[Jamesb1974]

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[onlinespotting]

Change of thread title then

 

[Jamesb1974]

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[HSTEd]

After HS2 rips the heart out of the VHF timetable, everything is up for grabs.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Within 5-10 minutes walk is a new housing development, a retail park (park and ride potential) and lots of new development; for example offices and call centres for Royal Mail, Bet365, Vodafone, FedEx and more. Etruria would be a real boost for Stoke-on-Trents infrastructure, it's right next to the A500. After the decision to take HS2 to Crewe should Etruria be reopened with the potential direct train to Crewe and Manchester, and a one stop change to a direct link to London.

Have you ever sat back and wondered how many of these new prospective passengers are car owners and as you say, the well-known A500 is in this area.

Even the environs of Stoke-on-Trent are known to have such car-owning people living there and not just full of bus users and cyclists...

 

[thenorthern]

Realistically no it wouldn't be worthwhile to reopen it.

Railways in Stoke-on-Trent however are rather poor compared to most cities and Etruria was a part of that as Etruria is a small area of Stoke and it would have been better to name it something like Newcastle Parkway or Hanley Parkway.

Overall though the railways in Stoke-on-Trent are almost purely a means of getting in and out of the city and not a commuter network.

 

[The Planner]

After HS2 rips the heart out of the VHF timetable, everything is up for grabs.

Doubt it, still constrained north of Kidsgrove, I expect the plan will be for a second stopper but that is about all you might fit.

 

[DarloRich]

Within 5-10 minutes walk is a new housing development, a retail park (park and ride potential) and lots of new development; for example offices and call centres for Royal Mail, Bet365, Vodafone, FedEx and more. Etruria would be a real boost for Stoke-on-Trents infrastructure, it's right next to the A500. After the decision to take HS2 to Crewe should Etruria be reopened with the potential direct train to Crewe and Manchester, and a one stop change to a direct link to London.

Yes it would be feasible - However would there be any point?

 

[onlinespotting]

Well at the time it closed there was 27 users per week for the one departure per weekday 0728 to Manchester Piccadilly. Considering the large businesses and new housing in the area (at the time of closure mostly wasteground? then yes I think it would be feasible and there would be a point. There's huge potential for park and ride too, considering that Stoke on Trent is nowhere near the city centre or to Stoke itself

 

[6Gman]

Well at the time it closed there was 27 users per week for the one departure per weekday 0728 to Manchester Piccadilly. Considering the large businesses and new housing in the area (at the time of closure mostly wasteground? then yes I think it would be feasible and there would be a point. There's huge potential for park and ride too, considering that Stoke on Trent is nowhere near the city centre or to Stoke itself

Park & Ride from where to where?

 

[onlinespotting]

From the station to Hanley,Newcastle, festival park or Etruria Valley, or as a park and ride on the train to Crewe Manchester or Birmingham.

 

[6Gman]

From the station to Hanley,Newcastle, festival park or Etruria Valley, or as a park and ride on the train to Crewe Manchester or Birmingham.

If I read you correctly you're suggesting:

a) people come in by train to Etruria then travel (by bus?) to Hanley, Newcastle etc?

b) people from N Staffs drive to Etruria, park, then catch the train.

Is that correct.

If so, surely a) can be covered by travelling to Stoke for buses to Hanley etc; and b) can be covered by people driving to Stoke and parking there?

What then is the purpose of a further station?

 

[onlinespotting]

Free parking could be obtained at Etruria. And the bus to festival park and Etruria valley involves a change in Hanley or Newcastle.
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This is current ongoing development

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Would be more feasible to re-open the Hanley loop to light rail and extend it to connect all six towns plus Newcastle.

 

[onlinespotting]

Would be more feasible to re-open the Hanley loop to light rail and extend it to connect all six towns plus Newcastle.

But unlikely, Etruria is still an option