One should hope not, line speed doesn't exceed 80 in the Up direction until quarter of a mile east of Broad Green. Tut tut...
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One should hope not, line speed doesn't exceed 80 in the Up direction until quarter of a mile east of Broad Green. Tut tut...
My phone is hardly the most reliable or accurate in this sort of thing, bit it shows 93 at their top speed, and 128 flat out on the WCML. So I thought as it was showing around 87 through Broad Green it'd be around 83/84. Who knows, hardly the most reliable piece of kit a crappy little phone GPS receiver.
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First time I used one of the 319s on Thameslink with PRM-TSI modifications installed. Disabled loo looks the part, the door sounders are annoying as expected but do the job, but the PIS... ugh. I don't understand how you can get that so wrong after all this time! I am going to be polite and assume the fact all it says is 'welcome to this Thameslink service' because they haven't programmed them up yet, but the bezel covers up the top pixel most of the way across, so the dots of the letter i are invisible apart from at the outer edges, and it's sufficiently bright that it's a bit difficult to read (a problem I've found with the 387 PIS too tbf, but at least that is otherwise functional). I'm surprised after all this time PIS systems are still so inconsistent and low-quality, but there you go
The basic units from the likes of Focon are very good this day, and from dealing with some of Bombarider's suppliers (not Focon), you can give them a very nice unit and the installer somehow manage to screw it up beyond belief. Putting it in poor boxes, and poorly specifying or programming it...
sit under the pan next time
I sat in the middle third of the pan carriage. I don't so much like the low ceiling claustrophobia. I did sot there on the way back though, taking ianhr's tip of finding face-to-back seats there. Do you find the noise that much different?
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It would be a bit strange to retrospectively apply this (slightly clumsy, not that appealing) branding to services that have been electric for decades!
Well i had my first ride on a Class 319 with Northern today (319363) apart from 1 of the doors banging it was a decent ride, i was told the other 319 failed in Service today tho so will have to wait until its repaired before i can judge that one
Xenophon PCDGS
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This "cascade" is still like a "drip-feed"...
I just go for the pan because thats the coach with the motors, better noises!
DJH1971
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Looks like the 06:16 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport service consisted of a 150 plus a 142 this morning. 
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This "cascade" is still like a "drip-feed"...
Remember that the 319s are only in limited use until the May timetable change. And I'm sure you'd much rather see the units refreshed and ready for service again in the duration.
Sadly the delays are resulting from the long drawn-out procurement process for the Thameslink NXEMU. Which for me is a pity as I'm moving away by that time!
Looks like the 06:16 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport service consisted of a 150 plus a 142 this morning.
I find it incredible that out of the 5 or more 319s that they now have that they cannot find more than one that is fit for service!
DJH1971
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Seems to be catching.
See my post from yesterday, No 3073 which gives the current status of the Class 319's. Obviously in the light of 319365' failure this morning, it's operating status has changed for at least this morning.
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jonesy3001
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Shame northern don't trial the 323s on the chat moss.
northwichcat
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Would be difficult to do. The crews who sign the 'South Manchester' routes would have to learn 319s and 319s may have difficulty keeping to 323 timings on some services, which may result in financial penalties for Northern if XC/Virgin/ATW services catch up their stoppers
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The problem when any "new" rolling stock is introduced is that crews are unfamiliar with them, and are not yet good at fault finding and fixing or being aware of any little foibles that they may have.
I'm not sure who it was that was saying about the guards' 'door policy', but it doesn't seem to have had much effect. On the 1955 from MAN yesterday the guard didn't carry out a ticket check at all, didn't make any announcements and didn't walk through any of the train apart from coming out of the back cab to the rearmost set of passenger doors at each station.
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It's supposed to have a auto announcer to do that. The guards don't need to do additional announcements if that is set up.
We're having some really unexpected problems with these units. 362 is awaiting a new 'traction card' which I'm reliably informed is like the ECU in a car and 365 was supposed to be the other one in service today but had a speedo fault.
It's hard to see how Northern could have done any more really. Just unlucky I guess.
Nym
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The power equipment is getting to the kind of age where things like traction cards will need replacing, it does encourage re-tractioning if the spares of things like these cards are starting to run low, as it's usually very expensive to reverse engineer them.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Can I ask you to view postings # 3111 and # 3112 in respect of "general good nick" that you state above
DJH1971
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Currently heading home on 319363 on the 17:16 service from Liverpool.
Does anybody here know what the 319s rate of atrition on their Thameslink duties is? The diagrams there can be over 500 miles of intensive use a day so some indication of the relative rates of failures could indicate whether the new operators just don't recognise issues before they escalate into something that involves removing the train from service. Also, depot diagnostics, repairs and spares replenishment may not have the benefit of experience already embedded down south over the last 20+ years.
I didn't realise the auto-announcer was therr to check tickets!
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I suppose its a Northern conductor then.
Nothing new there on services I use
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I don't the "Machine Broke" should be a reasonable excuse. Ensuring passengers have a valid ticket should still be done and helping any passengers that need it.
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How is the guard supposed to issue tickets if he hasn't got a working ticket machine - write them out by hand?
How is the guard supposed to issue tickets if he hasn't got a working ticket machine - write them out by hand?
Being visible isn't a worthless exercise though. I always consider checking tickets (even without a ticket machine to hand) to be good customer service.
For example someone could be on the wrong train despite CIS, announcements etc. This would be picked up through the ticket check, and appropriate guidance could be given to the passenger.
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