I assumed others had reported, but I certainly did. I even sent them a video.
Okay, this was via Twitter but they stated it had been passed on and they were addressing the issue.
They can't have lied to me, could they??
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Okay, this was via Twitter but they stated it had been passed on and they were addressing the issue.
They can't have lied to me, could they??
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I must admit I am surprised that it happened in the first place. Electrostars have ran splitting trains on southern and southeastern for years without issue. I would be surprised if the PIS isn't an evolution of what was there before even if changes have happened along the way from 375 --> 387.
Very surprised it wasn't pick up during testing and acceptance and staff didnt report it back in December. I certainly did myself and got the standard thanks for your feedback, relevant department is investigating it. I am sure some of the drivers would have as well.
On our 387 into London yesterday, the screens were on but no voice announcements until Finsbury Park. Was the driver muting them, or is this a temporary fix to stop it saying odd things?
(and on the way home, a 365, the screens weren't on at all!)
(and on the way home, a 365, the screens weren't on at all!)
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You managed to physically get on board a 387? at Hatfield? On a saturday? That is my biggest shock of your post.
.It was quite well loaded. Wife convinced me to board at London end, and that ended up where first class was, but we got two seats.You managed to physically get on board a 387? at Hatfield? On a saturday? That is my biggest shock of your post.
(edit: it might have been a blessing as people didn't think to try the small area between the cab and first class)
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I think I have had my last run on a 317 on Friday. Both 317 diagrams at WGC are 387s today. (The other diagrams are 365s anyway)
Never thought I would be sad to see this day, considering when the franchise was split to form FCC I hoped we would keep the 317/6.
I used to enjoy getting a seat. Roll on the 700s
Never thought I would be sad to see this day, considering when the franchise was split to form FCC I hoped we would keep the 317/6.
I used to enjoy getting a seat. Roll on the 700s
bramling
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Don't write off the 317s just yet. My understanding is a decision has been made that 4x diagrams will continue for a few weeks yet to release 387s for training. The caveat is that this is two pairs involving little work. They may also appear on an ad hoc basis,especially while not all drivers sign 387s. No idea what's happening with the 321s.
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They were around on Friday. Covering the 0941 Wgc - Kx & diagram.
Why? Who on earth wants to travel in these awful sheds.
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Have you ever travelled on one? Which route was it and when?
Absolutely nothing wrong with the 317/6s. Top drawer refurbishment when they were done.
I see from your posts that you clearly hate them, but I do wonder why. While my mum might struggle with low(er) seats, due to a disability, she's always coped with the 317s on GA. Because of her back, she prefers harder seats, but has never really had a problem on any train.
Beyond the seats, what's to hate with such passion? They're generally reliable, fast, only really noisy in a few places (avoid those locations!) and look pretty good when refurbished.
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There's not been that many responses that I've seen but depends on how it was reported. However widespread comments on here and not so much with the general public.
Your assuming there is one fault at present from your December report. It wasn't.
Also it's a brand new database wih the 387s being an upgraded tech from the 375/377 so no its not the same process even it it appears similar.
They are appalling trains.
The rediculous low seats mean it feels like you are sitting on the floor.
That combined with the crammed in seats so people have to sit knees interlocking and seats too close together so you sit too close to the other passengers, make travelling on them an awful experience.
Occasionally when I have encountered one, instead of catching it I will wait for the next train instead.
So good riddance to bad rubbish.
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You were right. 0825 WgC to London had a pair this morning. 387 working since December. Seats for everyone.
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This post clearly demonstrates the poster has never travelled on a 317/6. I suspect they don't even know what routes they operate on. That were refurbished to give the same quality train as the 365s and they didnt do a bad job.
0811 wgc - London. Is now a 387. As this train was never full be interested what regulars think. Looked a lot more cosy when I passed it at Finsbury Park. 0941 WGC - London will be 2x 365s today so predicted shuffle happening.
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The 321s were out again earlier this morning too on a run from Peterborough to Kings Cross.. definitely seems to be more 387 workings in general though.
I agree entirely with Dragonblyth.
I have had the unfortunate experience to have to catch trains made up of 317's regularly on the KC Peterborough evening services, and will do the same in that if I am not in a rush will wait for the next service in the hope that it is a 365 and not a 321 (shudder)....
Can't wait for these hunks of junk to be removed from service
A pair of 321s went north as ECS through Letchworth around 7:15 this morning. Presumably to form the 07:42 Royston-KGX service.
8-coach 317 service went past me on the fast line near Welham Green this morning (I was on the 0720 Letchworth to Kings Cross on the slow line - pair of 313s)
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Considering 317/6 haven't worked on great northern for many years it would not be one of those. They were all transferred to West Anglia. The ones on great northern or the original and worse versions. You would remember them if you have used the route for a long time. Preference was. 365, 317/6, 317 (old) back then.
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I have been travelling on the route for nearly 30 years now, so have seen quite a few changes in that time....
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When was that may I ask?
I agree that the seats on the 317s are too low but the 317/6s were fitted with new seats to match the 365s when they were refurbished.
bramling
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The 317/6 appeared around 1997-8, and lasted on the GN until the West Anglia side was broken off.
Returned from holiday to find my train to work (0825 Cambridge-KX stopper) was a 387 this morning. The driver was having a lot of trouble with the PIS, and eventually made a manual announcement asking people to ignore it, because a fault kept making it think it was running the route the "wrong" way.
i bet the driver just put the wrong code in and then couldnt work out how to stop it lol.....
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On 317 watch I think it is now quicker to list these than 387 operated services.
0703 WgC to kx was one this morning. Looks like at the time of an ECs move the 1758 London - WGC may be one tonight.
387s replaced the majority of known 317 services I passed this morning.
0703 WgC to kx was one this morning. Looks like at the time of an ECs move the 1758 London - WGC may be one tonight.
387s replaced the majority of known 317 services I passed this morning.
I had the unexpected bonus of a fast run on 2x317s this evening as they formed the 17:23 Kings Cross to Royston (normally 2x365).
A much better journey this evening both in terms of ride and comfort than the service to Kings Cross this morning, formed of 2x387 (on the 07:32 Royston-KGX service) - the train lurched sharply as we passed over the points near Potters Bar, New Barnet and Alexandra Palace.
Does anyone know what units are currently forming the 1R45 07:12 and 1R49 07:42 Royston-Kings Cross services? (both services used to regularly be formed of 2x321s)
A much better journey this evening both in terms of ride and comfort than the service to Kings Cross this morning, formed of 2x387 (on the 07:32 Royston-KGX service) - the train lurched sharply as we passed over the points near Potters Bar, New Barnet and Alexandra Palace.
Does anyone know what units are currently forming the 1R45 07:12 and 1R49 07:42 Royston-Kings Cross services? (both services used to regularly be formed of 2x321s)
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1R45 is booked 8/317 and 1R49 is 8/365
For info, the last two 321's (401 & 404) are now withdrawn and are being prepared for pastures new.
As it stands, there are only 4 BOOKED 317 diagrams left however all 12 units are still officially GTR's (347 and 348 are away at Ilford on works at present) and some may escape running vice 365's. They will slowly be withdrawn in the coming weeks.
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Do you know what diagrams these are?
Earlier in the week I have seen them on 0703 WGC - London and 1758 London - wgc. I know the later isn't a heavy diagram, but not sure if that was coincidence.
The run out on the 757 Cambridge- London I suspect was a one off, but it was nice to have a seat.
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