You mean the tax payer does. They talk about needing to save money. £50 million plus isn't saving money.The government has effectively infinitely deep pockets. They can just keep on doing it for as long as the RMT likes. GTR are protected.
Further strikes obviously won't work for the RMT, they simply can't win this one. ASLEF probably didn't want to accept the deal, but they knew it was the best they could get for their members, and sensibly decided to take it.
Possibly the guards as they don't have the whole country to support them.Which of those parties is hurt more by throwing away money though?
Good timing on the RMTs behalf. As their is now a gap for ASLEF to renegotiate.ASLEF Union saying they will respect the members wishes and will try to negotiate a slight improvement in terms
You mean the tax payer does. They talk about needing to save money. £50 million plus isn't saving money.
Well, yes. The government only has the money we all give it, or what it borrI guess this kind of chaos is what happens when you get a Tory government who are not worried about opposition. Perhaps if Labour weren't so useless at the moment they could have forced the government into some positive action to sort this out.
Yes 317 (45.9%)
No 374 (54.1%)
turnout 72.7% (693/953)
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The daily lives of thousands ruined by so few.
DOO is safe. It has been proved safe all over the country. With all the right tools in place it will be safe across Southern's network too. Why are we hanging on to a role that is more to do with steam age and not a modern electric fleet on a modern railway?
Turnout at 72% is a bit lower than I would have expected for such a sensitive issue.
Not too difficult to imagine the kind of conversations that are likely happening now in Whitehall.
Not too difficult to imagine the kind of conversations that are likely happening now in Whitehall.
Labour, or at least the Blair/Brown/Prescott/Adonis version, would have taken the same path as the Tory DfT has done.
It's all based on "productivity" and the railway record over the last 20 years is poor.
The McNulty report, on which this was based, was commissioned by Labour.
sack em all!
sack em all!
None - they are all on holiday (Parliament in recess and half term week).
No need for that. Just provide plenty of overtime opportunities for the 317 who voted in favour ( perhaps with a bonus for completing the first say two O/T shifts). For those who voted against just dock their pay on the next strike day. I am sure the monetary difference will concentrate a few minds.
It seems that Southern crew consider that their services are indispensable, and that may be true up to a point, particularly in the London commuter market but maybe not so much elsewhere.
If you look at the long London bus strike in the fifties the unions took the same view, but the outcome was that huge numbers of passengers found that they could change their lives so that they did not need to use the buses that they had used for years - quite a number of routes that were suspended were never restored, there were lots of job losses, and it took nearly 60 years for volumes to get back to the pre strike levels.
With today's news I am sure that many Southern passengers will be looking at the train as a last resort rather than a first preference.
In my opinion it's ridiculous that we believe it's safe for the driver to control up to 1000 passengers on their own.
No need for that. Just provide plenty of overtime opportunities for the 317 who voted in favour ( perhaps with a bonus for completing the first say two O/T shifts). For those who voted against just dock their pay on the next strike day. I am sure the monetary difference will concentrate a few minds.
probably some truth in that......I myself would consider my options if I was working in The City and relied on Sothern to get me there. Would be interesting to see how passenger volumes work out in the next couple of years on Southern Routes
No need for that. Just provide plenty of overtime opportunities for the 317 who voted in favour ( perhaps with a bonus for completing the first say two O/T shifts). For those who voted against just dock their pay on the next strike day. I am sure the monetary difference will concentrate a few minds.
Yes 317 (45.9%)
No 374 (54.1%)
turnout 72.7% (693/953)
Invalid 2
The daily lives of thousands ruined by so few.
DOO is safe. It has been proved safe all over the country. With all the right tools in place it will be safe across Southern's network too. Why are we hanging on to a role that is more to do with steam age and not a modern electric fleet on a modern railway?
I'll bite as a passenger. DOO is statistically safe, but by the same token it's statistically unlikely your house will burn down. Fancy getting rid of the fire brigade?
None - they are all on holiday (Parliament in recess and half term week).
I'll bite as a passenger. DOO is statistically safe, but by the same token it's statistically unlikely your house will burn down. Fancy getting rid of the fire brigade?
In any event the control of the doors is just one part of the dispute I suspect a bigger part is the presence of a second member of staff who can assist when there are issues on board, who can advise passengers, diagnose faults etc.
In my opinion it's ridiculous that we believe it's safe for the driver to control up to 1000 passengers on their own.
Air travel is statistically the safest form of travel per person, so by your logic we're safe to downgrade air hostesses/hosts to nothing more than literally kit Kat sellers, and in extreme circumstances planes should run without people who are employed in these positions... seems fair enough right?
Progress is progress. Unfortunately I don't see this as anything other than jobs for the sake of jobs.
Yep seems reasonable, cant see the need of having 2 people in the cockpit either, thats got to be exprensive.
In fact short haul flights (say, less than 2 hours) could probably be done with just the pilot on board who will only actually have about 10 minutes work to do (take off and landing).
That should get the costs of air travel down/make more profit.