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D2007wsm

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Is there a reason the 8 isn't double decker? Or at least longer single deckers? I feel sorry for everyone crushed on it when it goes past at Temple Meads!
The 8 is a high frequency service, the main reason deckers are not used is due to the canopy at Temple Meads and there simply isn't room for them on the incline as well as the 73s once the A1s are deckered.

They did try long single deckers on the 8s in the form of the 09 plate B7s, but they didn't last long to be replaced with Darts then Streetlites.

I think the ultimate aim in Bristol is to replace as many singles with deckers on routes deckers can operate on.
 
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They could do some shoufling so the W reg ALXs are in Bath for the 19 and 37, with the newer examples moved to LH for painting.

Once the Metrobis is in full swing, there will be the P&R B7 Geminis going spare. There will also be some B9 Geminis freed up with the introduction of the gas buses on the 1s. With a bit of jiggling, I'm sure a matching fleet can be put together for another service e.g. 36s etc. I dought anything will be done with the 73/75/76 with the impending Metrobus.

The 36 doesn't need a matching fleet - some 06 Darts and a pair of 53 plate Geminis will be fine.

You're right that the 903 will release some Geminis and with all the other changes but who's to say that they'll be staying?

As an aside, FHD will require a fair few deckers for Brock college and Dorset schools so wonder what they'll get?
 

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The 8 is a high frequency service, the main reason deckers are not used is due to the canopy at Temple Meads and there simply isn't room for them on the incline as well as the 73s once the A1s are deckered.

They did try long single deckers on the 8s in the form of the 09 plate B7s, but they didn't last long to be replaced with Darts then Streetlites.

I think the ultimate aim in Bristol is to replace as many singles with deckers on routes deckers can operate on.

I can remember catching deckers (VRs) on the 8, but that would have been before the 'bread van' era. I think they used the stop under the canopy. Perhaps there was an unfortunate accident? I'd imagine the canopies are listed so repairs would need to be authentic (= expensive).
 

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The 36 doesn't need a matching fleet - some 06 Darts and a pair of 53 plate Geminis will be fine.

You're right that the 903 will release some Geminis and with all the other changes but who's to say that they'll be staying?

As an aside, FHD will require a fair few deckers for Brock college and Dorset schools so wonder what they'll get?
But by having a common fleet or vehicles on a service it aids allocation by having to make sure certain vehicles are allocated to specific cards. This would allow when off for maintenance a Dart is put on a card which doesn't require a decker and there isn't a struggle to find a decker for the cards which do. Also, at times of disruption when services are messed up or a service is missing the capacity is there.

Several colleagues catch the 36 into work and all say that if the service they catch is a decker it is fine, but on the occasions when it is a Dart it struggles, particularly from St Anne's and Barton Hill into the centre.

Freeing up Darts may also allow services currently using short E200s, to be converted to Dart operation to add extra capacity. The 3s in Weston are mainly Darts now, but when an E200 turns up it struggles. The short E200s are just too small for most routes, unless it is dictated that a short vehicle be used. The 3s in Bath could probably do with the short E200s being replaced.

Within First now the aim is to have a common fleet where possible on a service, to ease allocation, ensure capacity and promote a consistent brand. It doesn't always happen currently, but it is getting there.

Who knows what will happen with the displaced Geminis, they may be shipped out or may be kept to see of the remain W reg ALXs or some of the ad London B7s which are shorter. In September extra deckers are being put on the X1/X2/X3/X4 circuit so some may find there way to Weston, until spare E400s can be sourced.
 
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I can remember catching deckers (VRs) on the 8, but that would have been before the 'bread van' era. I think they used the stop under the canopy. Perhaps there was an unfortunate accident? I'd imagine the canopies are listed so repairs would need to be authentic (= expensive).
The Canopy has been struck several times and Network Rail have said no deckers are aloud up that far. The VRs may have been the low height version making them shorter than the current double deckers.
 

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I see that First Cymru have posted a round of service changes to take effect during September 2017, albeit over the course of three separate dates (03rd, 21st & 24th).

Route and timetable changes will see service 8 (Student Village - Bay Campus) run 24 hours during university termtimes (every 30 minutes 0200 - 0600, not on Sunday nights) starting 21st September and, starting 24th September, Service 4A to also run overnight (hourly 1900-0600, albeit not on Sunday nights).

I don't know what nightlife in Swansea is like (if, without meaning to be rude about Swansea, there is any nightlife there after a certain hour). What degree of success would there be on these?

https://www.firstgroup.com/south-we...nges/service-changes-swansea-during-september

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The Canopy has been struck several times and Network Rail have said no deckers are aloud up that far. The VRs may have been the low height version making them shorter than the current double deckers.

VRs would've been 13'8 (4.2m)

Remember that deckers cost more to run and have higher depreciation so on a marginal route like the 36, it may be more sensible to have a mixed allocation.

After all, it has worked that way for the last 3 years at least since the ALX Tridents arrived.
 

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First has a bunch of buses away on rail replacement in Oxfordshire hence uni buses are being used on different routes.

From that news article, the 4 is being operated with Bath Spa Unibus double deckers. Does that mean the 05-plate Darts are on rail replacement? Unlucky passengers if so!

There are seven Bath Spa Uni blue B7s. Anyone know what the PVR for the 4 is please?
 

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32074 has reappeared and has a green front for 6 & 7 routes. I would guess 32073 will be similarly treated.
 

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You're right that the 903 will release some Geminis and with all the other changes but who's to say that they'll be staying?

As an aside, FHD will require a fair few deckers for Brock college and Dorset schools so wonder what they'll get?

Those of us in the area are very intrigued. There are some long runs on the Brock services and some very steep hills in Dorset.

The Geminis off the 903 will do nicely thank you..........

Next best would be cascaded B7/B9TLs from anywhere.

Perhaps more likely is that some of the existing W8**EOW Vo B7TL/ALX400 deckers (32031-46) (unused since the DDA deadline in December 2016) get resurrected and DDAd. Rumours suggest that some work is being done on them (apparently including one of the ex Cymru ones at Lawrence Hill)

The horror option is that they try to use the truly dreadful ex London and Norwich Tridents. That will end in tears IMHO........

Seriously, anyone able to give any insight?
 

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Those of us in the area are very intrigued. There are some long runs on the Brock services and some very steep hills in Dorset.

The Geminis off the 903 will do nicely thank you..........

Next best would be cascaded B7/B9TLs from anywhere.

Perhaps more likely is that some of the existing W8**EOW Vo B7TL/ALX400 deckers (32031-46) (unused since the DDA deadline in December 2016) get resurrected and DDAd. Rumours suggest that some work is being done on them (apparently including one of the ex Cymru ones at Lawrence Hill)

The horror option is that they try to use the truly dreadful ex London and Norwich Tridents. That will end in tears IMHO........

Seriously, anyone able to give any insight?

I have no insight nor have I talked to any driver/man in pub. However, the ex Norwich Tridents do seem to have had some problems settling down.

Fwiw, I wouldn't be surprised to see the EOW B7s returned to service or some of the eldest Tridents be employed on Dorset schools.

I'd quite like to see some B9s (e.g. Like the 903 ones) head down for the X51 and allow the Scanias to move onto the Brock college work.

However, FHD will have a plan and like others, I look forward to seeing what will ACTUALLY happen.
 

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I have no insight nor have I talked to any driver/man in pub. However, the ex Norwich Tridents do seem to have had some problems settling down.

Fwiw, I wouldn't be surprised to see the EOW B7s returned to service or some of the eldest Tridents be employed on Dorset schools.

I'd quite like to see some B9s (e.g. Like the 903 ones) head down for the X51 and allow the Scanias to move onto the Brock college work.

However, FHD will have a plan and like others, I look forward to seeing what will ACTUALLY happen.

Sounds a good plan; the Scanias would be perfect for Brock college, and the X51/3 really need B9s because of the hills.

How do we make it happen.............
 

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There seems to have been a lot of broken down B9s around over the last week or so, I've seen 4 in the last 4 days including Baths 37357, 37757 and one other and what I thought was Lawrence Hills 37345 today.

Oh and there was also a broken down Streetlite outside Dingles, I think it was 47438, which is also also carrying so rear graffiti 'tags'.
 
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There seems to have been a lot of broken down B9s around over the last week or so, I've seen 4 in the last 4 days including Baths 37357, 37757 and one other and what I thought was Lawrence Hills 37345 today.

Oh and there was also a broken down Streetlite outside Dingles, I think it was 47438, which is also also carrying so rear graffiti 'tags'.

37357 at Bath?
 

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I don't know what nightlife in Swansea is like (if, without meaning to be rude about Swansea, there is any nightlife there after a certain hour). What degree of success would there be on these?

Swansea is quite popular for a night out. Whether or not it is popular/busy enough for a night service, is another question. But Swansea city centre on a Friday/Saturday evening is quite something actually.

There seems to have been a lot of broken down B9s around over the last week or so, I've seen 4 in the last 4 days including Baths 37357, 37757 and one other and what I thought was Lawrence Hills 37345 today.

Oh and there was also a broken down Streetlite outside Dingles, I think it was 47438, which is also also carrying so rear graffiti 'tags'.

37357 is at Lawrence Hill not Bath.

I've had a full sweep on B9s today, including 37613 on the 42, 37601 on the 76 and 37622, 37337 and 37607 on the 73.

In general:

24 struggled this weekend with Upfest in Bedminster.
8 is still suffering from chronic overcrowding on Sundays
 

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How many ex-Leicester KP51s does Bristol have at present. I know there's 6 painted up in the red front livery, but I'm not sure how many others they have.

Can't be much left in Barbie livery in the city now.

32073 still Barbie though maybe going green now
32074 now green front
32084/93-5/8 red front
32090 purple front was red
32277 green front
Barbie vehicles West of England 54
HE 5
LH 6
BH 29
Mh 11
WM 3
 

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32073 still Barbie though maybe going green now
32074 now green front
32084/93-5/8 red front
32090 purple front was red
32277 green front
Barbie vehicles West of England 54
HE 5
LH 6
BH 29
Mh 11
WM 3

For information - the vehicle types in Barbie is quite interesting:-
4 B7TLs (32283-5, 32291)
1 Scania (65725)
14 B7RLEs (66719/23/24/25/28/29/30/31/66934/37/38/39/42/69253)
9 B7Ls (60914, 66301/25/26/27/35/36/42/46)
11 solos (53806/09/11-19)
3 E200s (44913/14/15)
12 Darts (42902-07/42909/10/25/39/68, 43849)

So in West of England - only 4 deckers left in Barbie now
 

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For information - the vehicle types in Barbie is quite interesting:-
4 B7TLs (32283-5, 32291)
1 Scania (65725)
14 B7RLEs (66719/23/24/25/28/29/30/31/66934/37/38/39/42/69253)
9 B7Ls (60914, 66301/25/26/27/35/36/42/46)
11 solos (53806/09/11-19)
3 E200s (44913/14/15)
12 Darts (42902-07/42909/10/25/39/68, 43849)

So in West of England - only 4 deckers left in Barbie now

32073 still though maybe being painted now
66327 has the Heart advert though is still Barbie underneath this.
 

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I see a note on the Nigel McCree website that the First B7TLs he was dealing with have all been sold but more will be due in October (whichever those might be?)
 

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Changes coming to Bridgwater in September (came up on VOSA yesterday)

PH0004983/475 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Alfoxton Road to Kings Drive Roundabout via Bridgewater Bus Station
Service number: B1 (B2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/537 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Bridgewater Bus Station to Bridgewater Bus Station via Wembledon
Service number: F
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/478 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Bridgewater Bus Station to Cannington/ Watchet/ Minehead via Nether Stowey
Service number: 14 (15)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/480 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Taunton Bus Station to Burnham-on-Sea via Bridgewater
Service number: 21
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017
 

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Changes coming to Bridgwater in September (came up on VOSA yesterday)

PH0004983/475 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Alfoxton Road to Kings Drive Roundabout via Bridgewater Bus Station
Service number: B1 (B2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/537 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Bridgewater Bus Station to Bridgewater Bus Station via Wembledon
Service number: F
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/478 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Bridgewater Bus Station to Cannington/ Watchet/ Minehead via Nether Stowey
Service number: 14 (15)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

PH0004983/480 Registered
FIRST SOUTH WEST LIMITED
Route: Taunton Bus Station to Burnham-on-Sea via Bridgewater
Service number: 21
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 Sep 2017

Quality bit of spelling - Bridgewater
 

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According to the South Yorkshire bus forum it appears the movement of the three Doncaster E200's is back on again and expected soon. 44927 requires some damage repairs though. It was not clear if they still heading to Somerset.
 
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