BillStampy
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it was apparently previously cancelled at Swansea, then uncancelled, now cancelled again? That 67 can't be healthy!
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It was running well enough, just a loud noise.
It was a buzzer defect in the DVT so unrelated to the 67.
Extremely poor day with 0 sets now out.
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According to RTT the train wasn't restarted at Cardiff with a unit. Was nothing available?
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It's been a long time since I've seen so many 150s out on the Marches.....
Thank you for returning to update us. That's great news.
I was on the 2233 departure from Manchester Piccadilly, but given no Northern services at all yesterday I think the unfortunate reality was inevitable that TfW would be at a crush load between Wilmslow and Manchester.
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Topological
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Off-topic, but in past strikes TfW did not set down at Wilmslow and hence did not get overloaded with passengers who would otherwise have used Northern/Avanti.
It would be great to say that there was strong availability to use these new speed options, but sadly sounds like the Mk4 are not behaving again. Meanwhile, the 175s are costing TfW a lot of money and the 197 introduction is not going to plan.
Makes the M5 through the West Midlands almost attractive.
They have done it when they've been the only service yes. Currently it's generally Northern and Avanti West Coast on different days, but Avanti don't run evenings from Manchester to Crewe.
PaulHarding150
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Did they run? RealTimeTrains suggests otherwise
Topological
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Looks like the 16:30 from Manchester was a 2-car 197 instead of the Mk4. The 10:30 and 18:30 still don't have a Mk4 allocated despite being severed at Cardiff.
Seems there was also a signalling equipment issue in the middle of the day near Nantwich, but not sure that is why there was no Mk4 for the 16:30.
Seems there was also a signalling equipment issue in the middle of the day near Nantwich, but not sure that is why there was no Mk4 for the 16:30.
MP393
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It didn’t cause any swaps just delays. 1V42 (12:30 ex Manc) was the worst affected as it was sent out from Crewe right behind the “local” all shacks, and with trains being talked passed signals at Nantwich & Wrenbury this took a long time to follow to Shrewsbury and ended an hour late into Cardiff and both crew are diagrammed a break before taking it back so delayed 1W23.
67013 + HD06 also hit sheep earlier in the day, and as such is currently at Shrewsbury having been swapped off 1W65 in favour for a 2 car 197, as it requires to go to Canton now instead of Crewe ATC. It’s now forming 1V99 23:09 Shrewsbury - Cardiff to facilitate this, a very rare drop for a mk4 and certainly a change from the normal lash up of 15x on that service!
Seems that that entire diagram didn't run in the end. A loco exam on 67015 was scheduled for today but appears to have been done yesterday instead. Whether that was linked to the Wrenbury issues or not I'm not sure.
PaulHarding150
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Ah cheers. Hopefully an isolated one off then and things can get back to normal.
Topological
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Seems to have got worse, the 14:30 from Manchester is a 150 today.
The 06:27 was a 2-car 197 again, whilst the 10:30 was a pair of 153s (Not that the Mk4 availability allows that diagram to be a Mk4 regularly yet).
At least the 16:30 from Manchester is a 5 car today, so that will be better than the 2-car 197 that ran it yesterday.
The 06:27 was a 2-car 197 again, whilst the 10:30 was a pair of 153s (Not that the Mk4 availability allows that diagram to be a Mk4 regularly yet).
At least the 16:30 from Manchester is a 5 car today, so that will be better than the 2-car 197 that ran it yesterday.
Not a good day for MK4 availability it seems.
And a couple of 197s missing on the West Wales to Manchester route but at least they had 158s to replace them.
Still, its not good to see 150s and 153 pairs still on these long distance services but it is less frequent than it was about 6 months ago. We were told over a year ago that Sprinters ( not including Sundays) wouldnt be on the Marches much longer, they are certainly not going quietly!
So todays departures from Manchester heading to South Wales
0627 - 2 car 197 (Cardiff)
0730 - 3 car 197 (Carmarthen)
0830 - MK4 5 car (Cardiff)
0930 - 2 car 158 (Carmarthen)
1030 - 2 x 153 (Cardiff)
1130 - 2 car 197 (Carmarthen)
1230 - MK4 4 car (Cardiff)
1330 - 3 car 197 (Carmarthen)
1430 - 2 car 150 (Cardiff)
1530 - 2 car 158 (Carmarthen)
1630 - MK4 5 car (Swansea)
1730 - 3 car 197 (Cardiff)
1830 - 3 car 197 (Cardiff)
1930 - 3 car 197 (Cardiff)
Quite a mixed bag today - at least everything from 1630 to 1930 was a 3 car or more. But quite a surprise to only see 3 MK4 departures despite 5 being booked.
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Topological
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Yes, it is good that they found the 3-car 197 to cover the second half of the diagram that had been 2x153. That pair coming back to Manchester to form the 18:30 Mk4 replacement would have been cosy.
It is madness to think that the trains were supposed to be all 5 car by now when looking at that (notwithstanding all the delays to the approval of 5-car 197s between Shrewsbury and Crewe)
So basically today saw 2 sets doing their planned runs between Cardiff and Manchester (the 12:30 comes back to be the 20:30, but that does not go to Cardiff)
It is madness to think that the trains were supposed to be all 5 car by now when looking at that (notwithstanding all the delays to the approval of 5-car 197s between Shrewsbury and Crewe)
So basically today saw 2 sets doing their planned runs between Cardiff and Manchester (the 12:30 comes back to be the 20:30, but that does not go to Cardiff)
BillStampy
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HD03 just cancelled at Cardiff to due a problem with the train, does anyone know what the issue is?
Low on fuel. Seems an unusual one as normally get a top up at Canton in the Downtime between trips.
Oh dear. So even the one MK4 that visits Swansea didnt make it there today and no replacement to take over at Cardiff.
Yes good to see the 1830 was a 3 car 197. I used to catch that often when it went through to Carmarthen. Havent since it changed to just a Cardiff service but it was usually 2 car 175 and full between Manchester and Crewe.
Should be 4 of the 5 tomorrow, the 06:27 once again substituted for The 3rd day in a row, unusual as that diagram is traditionally one of the regulars.
HD07, which was taken out with a door fault earlier, should then pick up the diagram at 12:49.
Thanks as always for the update. I find the one that is the most likely to be subbed for a 197 (aside from the Swansea starter which is officially booked a 197) is the diagram that involves the 1649 from Cardiff to Manchester.
Topological
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NO NO NO, NO! don’t say such things about our gracious 175’s !!
There was no reason to get rid of them !!
Is what I imagine many of the 197 haters would say.
I know, fancy accusing the 175s of delivering a through train to Swansea after 16:30 from Manchester
In all seriousness the Mk4 vanity project destroyed connectivity and then when the TfW control do not even hold the connection for a minute then you know why there might be one or two harks back to better days.
Yes, the future will be better, but it could have been a much better transfer.
Worth always remembering that we are still all paying for the 175s that we stare out of the too often 2 carriages to look at in the sidings near Crewe.
I had no problem with the 175s. I was just pointing out that the 1830 was booked for a 2 car which was very often full leaving Manchester.NO NO NO, NO! don’t say such things about our gracious 175’s !!
There was no reason to get rid of them !!
Is what I imagine many of the 197 haters would say.
And I really like the 197s no matter what some people think of them.
I dont know why the 1830 just cant be extended to Swansea anyway and run ECS back to Canton. I assume it is to do with train crew or not having enough fuel to make it to Swansea and back. Obviously there is a connection to Swansea and Carmarthen but there is no reason that couldnt run as well, given there is around 15 minutes gap and it is meant to go via the district line Mon-Thurs an extra service to Swansea would be useful.I know, fancy accusing the 175s of delivering a through train to Swansea after 16:30 from Manchester
In all seriousness the Mk4 vanity project destroyed connectivity and then when the TfW control do not even hold the connection for a minute then you know why there might be one or two harks back to better days.
Yes, the future will be better, but it could have been a much better transfer.
Worth always remembering that we are still all paying for the 175s that we stare out of the too often 2 carriages to look at in the sidings near Crewe.
Yes i caught that one a few months back and it was a 2 car 197. Recently though availability seemed to have been much better until the last few week or so when it seems to have dropped again. Seen quite a few posts on social media 'the following services wont have first class today'.
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Availability has definitely been affected by the loss of HD04, also with HD01 and HD02 also on exams and HD06 being damaged hitting sheep.
HD01 is now back, HD02 should be back early next week and HD06 back on Thursday which should help a lot.