Haywain
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A lot harder than not needing to do it.There are fewer than 10 of them across the network so that wouldn't be hard to do.
A lot harder than not needing to do it.There are fewer than 10 of them across the network so that wouldn't be hard to do.
The TVMs might have a sim-card built in that does some limited call-back and fault reporting.A lot harder than not needing to do it.
Is that the fare dodgers’ lift?Walking through Lime Street this morning at 07.50 the shutters inside the main station concourse before the escalators down to Merseyrail were closed and I sign directing people to use the lift. I've never seen this before. Surely the lift could not have been the only point of access.
Last time I was there, they were working on the escalators from the main concourse down to the subway to the low level station and that is why that entrance was shut.Walking through Lime Street this morning at 07.50 the shutters inside the main station concourse before the escalators down to Merseyrail were closed and I sign directing people to use the lift. I've never seen this before. Surely the lift could not have been the only point of access.
Is that the fare dodgers’ lift?
Yes. Arrow was pointing to the right so yes.Is that the fare dodgers’ lift?
I think this is a highly theoretical concern (like most of the discussions about Merseyrail ticketing on this forum).I only referred to it as such due to such a thing being mentioned earlier in the thread, I wasn’t sure where it was.
My point is that for someone coming from there, expecting to use ticketing facilities in the lower level part being directed to the lift which (potentially without their knowledge) bypasses such a facility can put them in an awkward position of not having a ticket, nor having the ability to buy one without a notable delay.
And of course that is what the vast majority of users of the lift are.Yes. Arrow was pointing to the right so yes.
That lift is also used by those of us with valid tickets want to get up/down to as soon as possible.
I think this is a highly theoretical concern (like most of the discussions about Merseyrail ticketing on this forum).
There is nothing stopping such people purchasing required tickets at the high level ticket office or from the myriad machines on the concourse.
But never underestimate the level of low level "racism" directed at Liverpudlians.
You know my origin, right?
Considering how you recently accused the city of Liverpool of having a "victim mentality", I don't think you're in a position to be playing that card.
I stand by that. I've also lived in Manchester, and find it very much doesn't, and I think that contributes heavily to its comparative success against Liverpool. I also take the view that if the North West's major and minor cities collaborated better and were more outward-looking the region would do much better for itself - you don't hear of people from Wolves and Cov resenting Birmingham being bigger and stronger, instead they grow themselves based on that success.
That reply was an example of it - because I was calling the lift a "fare dodger's lift" because a lot of fare dodgers use it (and they do, you can tell that easily enough when an RPI sting is done on it) I was somehow insulting Liverpool, which is just silly. Things like that exist at other stations outside Liverpool too, and would get the same name, indeed I'm almost certain I've referred to "fare dodgers' lifts" in the past with regard to the old New St layout, and there is I think a "fare dodger's gate" out of one of the Manchester Victoria platforms, though they are quite big on hiding RPIs near that to pounce.
Would you prefer it if they played it when it didn't suit them? They whole point of cards is to play them when it suits you...I'm aware of what that lift is sometimes used for, I'm just sick to the back teeth of people playing the "I'm Scouse" card when it suits them.
I was there yesterday and there are two signs, one pointing to the lift and the other equally prominent pointing to the low level ticket office.Walking through Lime Street this morning at 07.50 the shutters inside the main station concourse before the escalators down to Merseyrail were closed and I sign directing people to use the lift. I've never seen this before. Surely the lift could not have been the only point of access.
I would also assume that they're visited daily to remove cash and to load ticket blanksThere are fewer than 10 of them across the network so that wouldn't be hard to do.
Well, that won't be necessary for card only machines and ticket stock on rolls can last a surprisingly long time (and can he monitored remotely).I would also assume that they're visited daily to remove cash and to load ticket blanks
No, its because they won't pay S&B for the software update, they have to be online for card payments, as ticket office should be open for all Merseyrail services why should they have TOD? I thought we were moving away from CCST? Cake and eat it spring to mind? Maybe the relevant TOC's should give Merseyrail the money to update the TVM's?I'm almost entirely certain the Merseyrail TVMs are offline, so any updates/reporting from them is all down to a person with a laptop. It's why they don't do ToD, they were rolled out on the cheap.