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[SS4]

im a proud blackpool supporter and held a season ticket last year while in the prem shame charlie adam had to go to liverpool great player now traiter

What's more they always end up being mediocre when they leave, using my own club (Aston Villa) as an example Barry and Milner - talismanic in our side - merely squad players at Man City.

 

[Butts]

im a proud blackpool supporter and held a season ticket last year while in the prem shame charlie adam had to go to liverpool great player now traiter

So proud I take it you renewed it even when they were relegated to The Championship

 

[Oswyntail]

I see that Rangers are now locked in a legal dispute with some of the players about whether they are "free agents". "Rangers" claim they hold the registration, but the players representatives state that they have registered an "unwillingness" to have their employment transferred to the new employers under TUPE, and so are free.

 

[richw]

I see that Rangers are now locked in a legal dispute with some of the players about whether they are "free agents". "Rangers" claim they hold the registration, but the players representatives state that they have registered an "unwillingness" to have their employment transferred to the new employers under TUPE, and so are free.

As I understand it the players are correct and Charles green hasn't understood the tupe regulations correctly, green believes they automatically transfer which is correct but they have a 28 day period where can elect to not transfer to newco

 

[Clip]

I just want the new PL season to start already.

 

[Oswyntail]

As I understand it the players are correct and Charles green hasn't understood the tupe regulations correctly, green believes they automatically transfer which is correct but they have a 28 day period where can elect to not transfer to newco

Yes. I think that this is a question whose implications have been ignored, though. If the players (of any club) are simply employees, covered by TUPE, then they cannot also be club assets, and part of the financial picture of a club against which it can, eg, borrow. I understand (as has been pointed out earlier) that the players' registrations are the actual assets, but that surely takes the players out of TUPE, and other protections offered by employment law. I am not sure the PFA would like that, especially in lower leagues.

 

[andrew bell]

Apparently there are now 5 teams who will vote no to Newco Rangers being entered into the SPL next season, and with Rangers needing no more than 4 teams saying no it looks like Rangers will be expelled from the SPL next season.

Personally I feel if clubs are in administration/liquidation they should be expelled from the following season if they can't pay off their debts by the end of the previous season, like what happens in Blue Square Bet Conference

 

[Oswyntail]

Apparently there are now 5 teams who will vote no to Newco Rangers being entered into the SPL next season, and with Rangers needing no more than 4 teams saying no it looks like Rangers will be expelled from the SPL next season.

Fingers crossed - but I will believe this when it happens and not before.

Personally I feel if clubs are in administration/liquidation they should be expelled from the following season if they can't pay off their debts by the end of the previous season, like what happens in Blue Square Bet Conference

Funnily, I think that is a bit harsh. There are very few clubs that are not deep in debt, and there is not enough money available in football to change that significantly. Getting rid of the club denies them the realistic opportunity to rebuild, and, much more important, reduces the chances of local creditors getting anything. I would rather have a raft of "special measures";no promotion possible for a number of years (but relegation is); ban on transfers in; cap on club wages as a percentage of revenue. I am sure others can think of appropriate sanctions. The idea is to get the club back on a viable footing. If they fail to do so within, say, 5 years, then liquidate with no appeal.
And, any director of a club that goes into administration should be disqualified from holding football directorships in future; any "owner" of a club that goes under should be similarly disqualified.

 

[David]

cap on club wages as a percentage of revenue.

That's already in place for the football league (at least). It's 65% of all revenue.

 

[ACE1888]

6 teams now voting against 'New co' Rangers being an SPL side next year...HELL UP (Sky Sports News reporting tonight as such)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It has been announced that the Crown Office have instructed Strathclyde Police to launch a criminal investigation into the original purchase of Glasgow Rangers FC by Craig Whyte in 2011.

 

[bb21]

It has been announced that the Crown Office have instructed Strathclyde Police to launch a criminal investigation into the original purchase of Glasgow Rangers FC by Craig Whyte in 2011.

Typical HMRC efficiency I guess - one year too late.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

A route into English football, its no secret the SPL is poor standards, so think how bad division 3 will be, as at least the lower English leagues are still ok standards.

Incidentally, has any official comment been made by the English FA or EUFA or FIFA with clarification of cross-border status of football clubs since this matter recently surfaced ? If not, what exactly is the status quo on this matter ?

My own club, Oldham Athletic FC, play in English League 1. Are you casting aspersions upon the quality of football played in English Leagues 1 and 2 when you say "still OK standards"?

 

[richw]

English league 2 is higher standard than Scottish division 1 let alone division 3

 

[Scotrail84]

English league 2 is higher standard than Scottish division 1 let alone division 3

Behave yerself son.

 

[richw]

Behave yerself son.

I was tempted to put spl, but refrained!

 

[Ivo]

Incidentally, has any official comment been made by the English FA or EUFA or FIFA with clarification of cross-border status of football clubs since this matter recently surfaced ? If not, what exactly is the status quo on this matter ?

So what of Cardiff, Swansea et al? Or all the Liechtenstein clubs (who play in Switzerland)? Or Monaco? Et cetera? Considering all this fuss with Celtic/Rangers could there not be implications for these myriad other clubs? It's not as though it would be a first. (I appreciate the circumstances are a bit different though.)

Just to clarify, I am not particularly in favour of either joining the English League, but more due to the damage it would cause the SPL/SFL than anything else. Even if this did have something to do with Bury.

English league 2 is higher standard than Scottish division 1 let alone division 3

SD2 yes, SD1 maybe not.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

So what of Cardiff, Swansea et al? Or all the Liechtenstein clubs (who play in Switzerland)? Or Monaco? Et cetera

I was basing my view on how the matter would been seen at this present time by the bodies that I named, considering the current "somewhat fraught" status of Glasgow Rangers FC (Newco) with all the strictures that the club as so existing have to bear.

Would you think that no statement would have been made by these bodies as this may have be seen to have prejudiced the outcome of the other SPL clubs in the voting being held on a certain matter ?

With regards to the other clubs you name in your quote, were there any similar irregularities over the conduct of these clubs when the decision was made to admit them in those days gone by ?

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News of the leading contender for the "Football Hooligan of the Year" title.......

Joey Barton has been fined six weeks wages (almost half-a-million pounds) and stripped of the Queens Park Rangers club captaincy after a club disciplinary meeting.

He was warned that any further outbreaks of similar misconduct would see him sacked by Queens Park Rangers.

 

[Ivo]

Lucky boy. He should be searching for a new career (never mind a new club; after all, who would accept him?)

I was basing my view on how the matter would been seen at this present time by the bodies that I named, considering the current "somewhat fraught" status of Glasgow Rangers FC (Newco) with all the strictures that the club as so existing have to bear.

Would you think that no statement would have been made by these bodies as this may have be seen to have prejudiced the outcome of the other SPL clubs in the voting being held on a certain matter ?

With regards to the other clubs you name in your quote, were there any similar irregularities over the conduct of these clubs when the decision was made to admit them in those days gone by ?

I wish I could give you an adequate answer. In short, I have no idea.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Latest news on Glasgow Rangers FC...

Allan McGregor, Steven Davis, Kyle Lafferty and Jamie Ness all have declined to transfer their contracts to the "Newco", in addition now to the four other players who took the same action before this week commenced. They have instructed the Professional Footballers Association to act on their behalf in legal matters concerned with this decision.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Grrr, people putting 'Glasgow' before 'Rangers' intentionally - I don't like it outside of tradition and songs. We are THE Rangers, we don't need geographical definition, ditto Celtic.

Yeah, I think Lee McCulloch plus another are the only senior players this far to say they'll join Newco AFAIK. I don't blame McGregor, Davis or 'Naisy', they'll move on to bigger and better things, and their service to the Gers has been simply fantastic, and you can tell they have Rangers at heart. A lot of youth are staying put from what I can tell, I think with a combination of them and the loyalest of the old senior team the Gers should be OK for the immidiate future.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Grrr, people putting 'Glasgow' before 'Rangers' intentionally - I don't like it outside of tradition and songs. We are THE Rangers, we don't need geographical definition, ditto Celtic.
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What do you mean when you say "outside of tradition or songs"...does this mean you feel it is correct in those cases ?

Selectivity is a wonderful thing...just like himdsight is..:roll:


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More news for the Birmingham City fans on the forum

After receiving 22 applications for the vacant managerial position, a short list of four applicants were selected for panel interviews and final second interviews. The successful applicant who has been appointed as the new manager of Birmingham City is the former Huddersfield Town FC manager, Lee Clark.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

From times when they were commonly called 'Glasgow ...', when a lot of the songs were created too. Over time it has changed and it is now standard (and official) that we are just 'Rangers'. The only modern times I use it is when talking to people who have no idea about football. If you like our incorrect name died long ago, but its tradition lives on, however is, I feel, incorrect today, especially in professional texts (media etc).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

From times when they were commonly called 'Glasgow ...', when a lot of the songs were created too. Over time it has changed and it is now standard (and official) that we are just 'Rangers'. The only modern times I use it is when talking to people who have no idea about football. If you like our incorrect name died long ago, but its tradition lives on, however is, I feel, incorrect today, especially in professional texts (media etc).

In that case, my apologies are sent to you and any other supporter. Glasgow is such a great city with much history, that I assumed that the club would be proud to have the city name prominent.

The Milan and Madrid clubs seem happy to use the city name in their official names.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Milan's a strange one - I notice in recent seasons they tend to be called 'Inter' (or 'Internazionale' or similar) and 'Milan', not 'Inter Milan' and 'AC Milan' any more, don't know when that changed.

 

[Scotrail84]

Grrr, people putting 'Glasgow' before 'Rangers' intentionally - I don't like it outside of tradition and songs. We are THE Rangers, we don't need geographical definition, ditto Celtic.

Yeah, I think Lee McCulloch plus another are the only senior players this far to say they'll join Newco AFAIK. I don't blame McGregor, Davis or 'Naisy', they'll move on to bigger and better things, and their service to the Gers has been simply fantastic, and you can tell they have Rangers at heart. A lot of youth are staying put from what I can tell, I think with a combination of them and the loyalest of the old senior team the Gers should be OK for the immidiate future.

When uefa used to draw (Glasgow) Rangers out the hat does piece of paper not say Glasgow Rangers???

 

[Ivo]

I'm pretty sure it used to omit the Glasgow.

 

[Scotrail84]

I'm pretty sure it used to omit the Glasgow.

Doesn't matter. To me they are known as Glasgow rangers and Glasgow Celtic, collectively know as the bigot brothers. But rangers are no more. Nae luck eh.

 

[Butts]

Grrr, people putting 'Glasgow' before 'Rangers' intentionally - I don't like it outside of tradition and songs. We are THE Rangers, we don't need geographical definition, ditto Celtic.

Yeah, I think Lee McCulloch plus another are the only senior players this far to say they'll join Newco AFAIK. I don't blame McGregor, Davis or 'Naisy', they'll move on to bigger and better things, and their service to the Gers has been simply fantastic, and you can tell they have Rangers at heart. A lot of youth are staying put from what I can tell, I think with a combination of them and the loyalest of the old senior team the Gers should be OK for the immidiate future.

If they "have Rangers at heart" why are they leaving , surely the club needs them more than ever in their time of need

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Because they deserve better than Div 3 football. Their service has been brilliant, and I'm sure they'd have stayed had we still been in the SPL, however you just can't drag good players down with you. you don't have to play for the team you love you know, you can leave them.

Scotrail84 - I think you'll find we do, the company went, the club didn't. We're still the most successful team in the world and still in existance. Of course, if our history had gone, so would've Celtic's in the 90s when their assets were transferred to a new company too.

It looks like the jelly's gone off and the ice cream's melted.