Couple have foster family removed for supporting 'racist' UKIP

[Johnuk123]

If it's so well documented then how come nobody has found a "smoking gun" that shows that the reason we didn't stop these pedophiles was race?

A lot of people are good at putting two and two together, but not getting four...

If you want to subscribe to the Times you'll find a massive amount of detail which shows that Rotherham council were only concerned with sweeping the sex scandal under the carpet.

Here are a few snippets.

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/the-times-files-expose-hidden-child-sex-scandal/

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....se-hidden-child-sex-scandal-day-two-part-one/

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....hild-sex-scandal-day-two-part-two-amys-story/

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....ex-scandal-day-two-part-three-public-inquiry/

 

[wintonian]

I thought this whole story was born out of political intent and now I see there is a byelection up for gabs in Rotherham that UKIP seem to want to win.

So I would strongly suspect that UKIP were in-fact the originators of this story and that it has been spun round more times than your average washing machine.

A snipit from the linked Guardian report:

Ukip was already heading for a good result in Rotherham, buoyed by its third place in the Corby byelection earlier this month. Collins went one better in last year's Barnsley byelection, when she came second to Labour, and, with polls putting national support for Ukip at 7%-9%, is cautiously optimistic.

You can't buy the sort of publicity the foster scandal has brought the party, but serious money is being poured into the campaign nonetheless. The party bussed in activists from all over the country for a "day of action" on Saturday, which featured Farage touring the town's pubs preaching his anti-Europe, anti-immigration gospel.

 

[Butts]

Anyone no what UKIP's policy on Independence for Scotland is ?

Despite their name they don't field many candidates up here.

 

[wintonian]

Anyone no what UKIP's policy on Independence for Scotland is ?

Despite their name they don't field many candidates up here.

What would it be if one wanted to stay in the EU and the other didn't?

Or is that one for the other thread?

Anyway you can look it up here

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Anyone know what UKIP's policy on Independence for Scotland is ? Despite their name they don't field many candidates up here.

All I can say is that I take the "UK" part of UKIP to refer to the United Kingdom, and as such, this might state their position on that matter. Perhaps MattE2010, as a supporter of this party, could give you a definitive answer to the point that you have raised.

 

[Butts]

All I can say is that I take the "UK" part of UKIP to refer to the United Kingdom, and as such, this might state their position on that matter. Perhaps MattE2010, as a supporter of this party, could give you a definitive answer to the point that you have raised.

Indeed as a Rangers supporter I can see the link GB/UK - I'm not sure if he is Ecosse or Anglo-Ecosse.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Indeed as a Rangers supporter I can see the link GB/UK - I'm not sure if he is Ecosse or Anglo-Ecosse.

Irelande du Nord...je crois.

 

[Butts]

Irelande du Nord...je crois.

Must be a Protestant then - no offence Matt

 

[table38]

I thought this whole story was born out of political intent and now I see there is a byelection up for gabs in Rotherham that UKIP seem to want to win.

So I would strongly suspect that UKIP were in-fact the originators of this story and that it has been spun round more times than your average washing machine.

Ah that'll be the by-election forced by the resignation of the previous labour MP Denis MacShane. The totally un-biased BBC website says "he wrongly claimed at least £7,500 in expenses" as if it was just an innocent mistake anyone could of made.

In fact, he submitted at least 19 fake invoices over four years that he had made himself from a company that didn't exist, claimed for a constitruency office which was actually the garage of his own house, and claimed for 8 laptops which seem to have "gone missing" or were given away.

The House of Commons Committee on Standards and Privileges called it the gravest case which has come to us for adjudication.

A lovely man, who actually used to work for, but was sacked by the BBC, who is now saying it wasn't a "criminal offence" and that he can't be prosecuted due to "parliamentary privilege".

 

[radamfi]

In my experience, most people who actively support UKIP want to keep the union as it is, including Scotland and Northern Ireland. To me that is hypocritical. They think it is OK for the UK to want autonomy but not for Scotland.

 

[yorksrob]

I've no idea what the UKIP position is on this, but I don't think it would be hypocritical for a Eurosceptic party to be against Scotland leaving the UK, but it would be hypocritical for one to actively try and obstruct Scotland from leaving the UK. As an example, the Conservative party seems to be moving towards a more Eurosceptic position, but it is also having to accommodate the SNP's referendum demands.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Anyone no what UKIP's policy on Independence for Scotland is ?

Despite their name they don't field many candidates up here.

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/LocalManifestoScotsDL.pdf should answer your questions.

The reason they don't stand in Scotland I suspect is because Right Wing parties don't tend to be popular in Scotland post-Thatcher!
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Must be a Protestant then - no offence Matt

My Northern Irish family are yes, I myself am just a staunch monarchist / loyalist, but with very little religious inclination on it. I suppose heritage account for some of it.

 

[radamfi]

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/LocalManifestoScotsDL.pdf should answer your questions.

Where does it mention Scottish independence?

 

[transmanche]

Where does it mention Scottish independence?

I don't think it does directly.

But the fact it states:

• We will retain the Scottish Parliament
• We will replace MSPs with Scottish Westminster MPs

... is a bit of a clue.

 

[Johnuk123]

As well as their well known policies, UKIP apparently have some strong views on "multiculturalism"

What would you define as multiculturalism ?

 

[transmanche]

What would you define as multiculturalism ?

More importantly, how do you define multiculturalism?

 

[Johnuk123]

More importantly, how do you define multiculturalism?

Not that I asked you as I obviously wouldn't but it's very simple.

Multicultural policies segregate communities along ethnic lines and does not encourage them to integrate into British society.

When Trevor Philips said that it was out of date, and legitimised separateness between communities and instead we should assert a core of Britishness.

He was talking sense.

 

[tbtc]

In my experience, most people who actively support UKIP want to keep the union as it is, including Scotland and Northern Ireland. To me that is hypocritical. They think it is OK for the UK to want autonomy but not for Scotland.

Remember when John Major found the buzzword that is "Subsidiarity"?

Every decision should be taken at the lowest possible level, as far as Europe went (i.e. only trans-European things should be decided in Brussels, and anything that could be devolved to Westminster should be a Westminster matter)...

...but at the same time he was against "deceltralisation" in the UK when it came to a Scottish Parliament etc... not sure he saw the clear hypocrisy
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What would you define as multiculturalism ?

Fairly simply as the opposite of monoculturalism.

Should these kids be brought up in a way that recognises their background or not?

 

[Johnuk123]

Should these kids be brought up in a way that recognises their background or not?

Yes if they want that, considering they where being taught Polish nursery rhymes and were attending a Catholic School I don't think you can accuse the foster parents of racism.

Would Joyce Thacker, take similar action to stop children being fostered by members of the Socialist Workers Party, which calls for revolution and supports law-breaking by its members?
I think we all know the answer to that one.

http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.u...ering-case-very-complex-says-roger-stone.aspx

Not one word of apology, absolute disgrace, I hope UKIP and the couple go down the legal route as they have both been slandered.

As they're now backtracking after amazingly even Labour said they'd got it wrong will the children be returned ?

 

[tbtc]

Yes if they want that, considering they where being taught Polish nursery rhymes and were attending a Catholic School I don't think you can accuse the foster parents of racism.

That sounds like multiculturalism to me, which UKIP say that they are against.

 

[Johnuk123]

That sounds like multiculturalism to me, which UKIP say that they are against.

So do you think the couple are racist ?

 

[transmanche]

Not that I asked you

Oh sorry, i didn't realise you had the monopoly on asking questions...

You've been fairly vocal in your criticism of the council's policies. So I thought it would be interesting to see how your views stacked up against UKIP's.

Multicultural policies segregate communities along ethnic lines and does not encourage them to integrate into British society.

And that's not what I call multicultural. That's just paying lip-service to diversity.

When Trevor Philips said that it was out of date, and legitimised separateness between communities and instead we should assert a core of Britishness.

He was talking sense.

Trevor Phillips was speaking against the so-called multiculturalism which merely celebrated 'cultural diversity' without tackling real inequality. Of course the tabloids merely jumped on a few soundbites without looking at the underlying issues.

 

[balne-wonderer]

I thought this whole story was born out of political intent and now I see there is a byelection up for gabs in Rotherham that UKIP seem to want to win.

So I would strongly suspect that UKIP were in-fact the originators of this story and that it has been spun round more times than your average washing machine.

A snipit from the linked Guardian report:

It was confirmed on Radio Five Live this morning that although UKIP were aware of the situation before it became public knowledge they had decided not to report it.

It was the foster parents in question and Rotherham Borough Council that made this public and then the press jumped on it.

UKIP made no statement at all prior to this becoming public knowledge. What you've posted is just typical lefty rubbish, usual for a Guardian reader who views anything right of centre to be racist. The left have made themselves look completley stupid again, something they've been very good at for a while now.

Lets not let facts get in way of a good old bash of anything right wing shall we.....The Guardian isn't good enough quality to be used as toilet paper.

 

[Johnuk123]

Oh sorry, i didn't realise you had the monopoly on asking questions...

You've been fairly vocal in your criticism of the council's policies. So I thought it would be interesting to see how your views stacked up against UKIP's.

And that's not what I call multicultural. That's just paying lip-service to diversity.

Trevor Phillips was speaking against the so-called multiculturalism which merely celebrated 'cultural diversity' without tackling real inequality. Of course the tabloids merely jumped on a few soundbites without looking at the underlying issues.

As you can't find a mainstream well known politician today who is agreeing with the removal of the children I think your views are simply political.
As you hate UKIP then anything that brings them grief will please you no end.

Saying that UKIP has probably done absolutely brilliant out of this.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Yes if they want that, considering they where being taught Polish nursery rhymes and were attending a Catholic School I don't think you can accuse the foster parents of racism.

Would Joyce Thacker, take similar action to stop children being fostered by members of the Socialist Workers Party, which calls for revolution and supports law-breaking by its members?
I think we all know the answer to that one.

http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.u...ering-case-very-complex-says-roger-stone.aspx

Not one word of apology, absolute disgrace, I hope UKIP and the couple go down the legal route as they have both been slandered.

As they're now backtracking after amazingly even Labour said they'd got it wrong will the children be returned ?

Don't be silly, the left are saints.

 

[transmanche]

As you can't find a mainstream well known politician today who is agreeing with the removal of the children I think your views are simply political.

And how does that relate to anything that you quoted from my post? Moving the goalposts because you cannot defend your position?

And as for your assertion that my views are "simply political" - are your claiming that you views aren't political?

 

[Johnuk123]

Don't be silly, the left are saints.

Rotherham council should now publish a list of which political parties are ok for foster parents to support.

I thought freedom of association was a human right.

 

[transmanche]

I thought freedom of association was a human right.

Yes it is. Fostering children is not.

 

[wintonian]

Multicultural policies segregate communities along ethnic lines and does not encourage them to integrate into British society.

Considering the amount of micro-cultures we have amongst the indigenous peoples of the UK I find this unlikely, in-fact I would say multiculturalism is almost the polar opposite of what you suggest and more about a 'cultural mix' - a sort of coming together of expressions of different cultural identifies.

 

[Johnuk123]

And how does that relate to anything that you quoted from my post? Moving the goalposts because you cannot defend your position?

And as for your assertion that my views are "simply political" - are your claiming that you views aren't political?

Moving the goalposts ? Like when you said Trevor Philips did say what I said he did but the nasty papers changed his words around.