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Baroness Thatcher has died

Margaret Thatcher: Good or bad for the UK?

  • Good

    Votes: 35 29.4%
  • Bad

    Votes: 71 59.7%
  • Don't know/don't care

    Votes: 13 10.9%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
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Ferret

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In my opinion for political points. It traps those who don't wish to attend as being disrespectful of her personally. I'm sure someone disagrees with me though,

I'd really like that to be untrue because using the event for political point-scoring is no better than the mongtards who have been celebrating her death out on the streets. Alas I fear you may not be far from the truth.
 

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Whether or not this thread is the fastest moving, I wonder if it has the 'honour' of being the most acrimonious?
 

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Whether or not this thread is the fastest moving, I wonder if it has the 'honour' of being the most acrimonious?

That Guide Bridge thread was quite acrimonious at times, with the ill-informed spouting forth about disabled rights being infringed, yadda yadda yadda. The one on Digital Spy was even worse!

 

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Whether or not this thread is the fastest moving, I wonder if it has the 'honour' of being the most acrimonious?

I thought you were going to say most balanced ;)

Does anyone remember that thread with the photographs of the girls in short tartan skirts on an engine - that caused quite a stir :p
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That Guide Bridge thread was quite acrimonious at times, with the ill-informed spouting forth about disabled rights being infringed, yadda yadda yadda. The one on Digital Spy was even worse!


Thats a normal thread surely :lol:
 

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That Guide Bridge thread was quite acrimonious at times, with the ill-informed spouting forth about disabled rights being infringed, yadda yadda yadda. The one on Digital Spy was even worse!


Yes but that was 1 person vs the rest of society, rather than a polarised (or any sense of) debate.
 

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Yes but that was 1 person vs the rest of society, rather than a polarised (or any sense of) debate.

Well, it was one person backed up by people who wanted to be outraged and had no idea what they were talking about, versus a minority of us who knew things weren't quite as he would have us believe. Gradually there was a drip drip drip of information, until finally the minority were proved to be right. In the meantime,there was a long queue of the gullible trying to give a kicking to those of us who dared to question what we were being told. It was acrimonious in differing ways and for different reasons.

 

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I'm not sure why Parliament was recalled - totally unnecessary however much it cost.

I managed to watch a lot of it and feel that people on all sides wanted their say. It was quite moving, both comments positive and negative, and I am sure every MP (well bar those who stayed away) wanted a chance to speak on such a big event - whatever their view.

Speaking of hypocrisy here is an article comparing Daily Mail headlines from Thatcher's death and Bin Laden's regarding celebrating the death of a person. It's probably a left-leaning source so please take your customary pinch of salt

The article is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-USA-celebrating-death-Al-Qaeda-leader.html

And it seems to report on how the Americans acted, although I do think it's a bit different when you have people celebrating getting someone that supposedly organised 9/11, or how people celebrated the death of Hitler (and also the end of the war).
 

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Well, it was one person backed up by people who wanted to be outraged and had no idea what they were talking about, versus a minority of us who knew things weren't quite as he would have us believe. Gradually there was a drip drip drip of information, until finally the minority were proved to be right. In the meantime,there was a long queue of the gullible trying to give a kicking to those of us who dared to question what we were being told. It was acrimonious in differing ways and for different reasons.


I forgot about the "We have no idea what were talking about but we like a good argument anyway" crowed that jumped on board. Besides I didn't read an awful lot of it seeing as I did that it was just going to turn into a revolving argument for the sake of it, although admittedly as you say a conclusion about the original matter regarding the passengers complaint was reached.
 

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I forgot about the "We have no idea what were talking about but we like a good argument anyway" crowed that jumped on board.

I expect they're the same people who are going to be out celebrating the death of Maggie next week.
 

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In my opinion for political points. It traps those who don't wish to attend as being disrespectful of her personally.

Which, if that was the goal, seems to have backfired. No-one I've spoken too has thought that recalling Parliament was sensible. Especially seeing as they were back on Monday anyway, more logical to do that kind of event then.
 

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I expect they're the same people who are going to be out celebrating the death of Maggie next week.

I didn't get involved in the Guide Bridge discussion and I have already had my own personal celebration. ;)

Anyway the thread is here if anyone wants to refresh themselves of it#s contents, or wants to know what we are talking about. ;)
 

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Just read the brief reply from Scargill on the death of Thatcher. Apparently he was texted with the words "Thatcher Dead" to which he instantly replied "Scargill Alive".

As I have already said in the thread, I am not one for celebrating her death but that response was rather priceless.
 

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500 Posts in three days is this an RailUK Forums record ?

Whoops who can't count 4 days !!

On one single day in November 2011, the long-running "The next station is" quiz had a total of 521 postings.

At the close of play on Thursday night, it had amassed 43,877 postings.
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He appears to have made a number of YouTube offerings on various topics from what seems to be a fundamentalist Christian point of thinking on each topic.

I would like to know in which USA state he is from...and his age.
 
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wintonian

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On one single day in November 2011, the long-running "The next station is" quiz had a total of 521 postings.

At the close of play on Thursday night, it had amassed 43,877 postings.
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He appears to have made a number of YouTube offerings on various topics from what seems to be a fundamentalist Christian point of thinking on each topic.

I would like to know in which USA state he is from...and his age.

I think his Mother is a Presbyterian whereas his Father appears to be a Catholic. Or possibly the other way around but you get what I mean.

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It's often mentioned on here how right or left wing the BBC are but I though this article in the Guardian does well to sum up how sometimes they are dammed if the do and dammed if they don't.

The old blue guard have once again been complaining about how left wing the BBC have been on it's reporting of Thatchers death, whilst at the same time the BBC claim that more people have complained about how 'biased' their coverage has been 'in favour of Lady Thatcher'.

The former minister Peter Lilley told MPs on Wednesday that the BBC's use of the word "divisive" in relation to Lady Thatcher "probably tells us more about the BBC than it does about her".

BBC figures in fact show that more people have complained that the coverage has been biased in Lady Thatcher's favour than against her,

It will be interesting to see what the bosses at radio ! decide to do on Sunday evening.
 
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As long people in roughly equal numbers are complaining they're biased either way, they're likely getting it spot on.
 

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For what my opinion is worth, I hated the woman with a passion. Couldn't wait for the day she died she tore my family life to shreds and plenty of my friend's.
For a few days I joined in the universal chorus of approval laughing and thinking it was great she'd gone, now however I've watched the limp wristed, wet arsed politicians from now and yesteryear including people like Heseltine and Tebbit and can't help but think if they had a pair in their pant's and showed some backbone thing's may not have been as bad for families like mine.
I now find myself looking towards them and thinking, gutless, arselicking timewasters. She should be left to RIP now, she made mistakes and it might have been easier if at some point over the years she had come out publicly and admitted so and maybe explained why she did what she did but hey a leopard doesn't change it's spot's.
I do think a dignified family funeral at their own expense would suffice though not the rub yer nose in it affair this lot are organising.
 

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Title says it all.

The 'General Discussion' thread has gone on for over 500 posts since Margaret Thatcher passed away. There are some strongly held views, both for and against the lady, her governments, and her policies.

I thought I'd post this poll to get a flavour of how the RailUK community views her legacy.

Purely unscientific of course. And may I suggest that comment about the lady be reserved for the existing thread.
 

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it's alarming, the number of commentators on left and right who eulogise/demonise the thatcher years with very little idea of what happened
 

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I do get the impression that unions were more like religions, and you were either with them or against them.

Like the church, you were expected to contribute financially and other ways (hence it said before that even if you were in a union, you were still expected to 'play the game' if you wanted it to help you). To a degree, that would mean doing what you were told to do and not daring to go against the union by disagreeing on things.

I doubt any union is like that today, not even the RMT when Bob tries his hardest, but it's quite clear how polarised the opinions are on here. It wasn't so much a class war but the Unions vs the Government - with two high profile leaders (Thatcher & Scargill) that have been painted as the only aggressors.

Even when I was a Unison member in the early 1990s, I never felt it was as bad as it must have been in the 70s and 80s, but there were people that participated in union meetings (over the road in a local pub) and effectively formed a cliquey group that you couldn't be part of unless you accepted you'd now be expected to do more than simply enjoy a drink and chat about non-union matters.
 

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Now however I've watched the limp wristed, wet arsed politicians from now and yesteryear including people like Heseltine and Tebbit and can't help but think if they had a pair in their pant's and showed some backbone thing's may not have been as bad for families like mine.

Who actually in the higher echelons of the Conservative Party were the main movers in orchestrating her removal as the leader of that party ?
 
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